Biden announces increased tariffs on EVs

[h0b0]

I was in the UK last week and commented to my brother, who lives there, that I never see Chinese EVs in the US. Well, it was announced that the 25% tariff was going to be increased to 100%.

For those unfamiliar, a tariff is a charge imposed by the government to make an imported product less competitive. Trump famously called himself the “Tariff Man”

As we already have no Chinese EVs, a change in tariff will have no impact and is probably a political move. But, it’s not a great move if EV adoption is a priority.

[raspy]

There aren't any Chinese made cars sold in the US, regardless of fuel type. The 100% tariff is just a symbolic move. It's election year, remember.

[off_again]

Yeah, totally political and a token gesture.

We do have Vietnamese EV's though!



I wonder what the Chinese government will do about Tesla and their factory there? Mmmm.

[hidetheelephants]

Detroit is a large employer and a heavily unionised one, although 100% is pretty aggressive.

[sparkymark75]

Happy to ship manufacturing to China but as soon as they start becoming competitive, lets stifle them.

[TheDeuce]

raspy said:

There aren't any Chinese made cars sold in the US, regardless of fuel type. The 100% tariff is just a symbolic move. It's election year, remember.

Exactly, show the man on the street that Uncle Sam will protect the great American car manufacturing industry, none of that foreign crap thank you!


It won't change EV adoption rates in the States, although the adoption rate is slow regardless... it's America... Change happens slowly, especially if you're trying to take people's 'gas' cars away from them.

[BandOfBrothers]

sparkymark75 said:

Happy to ship manufacturing to China but as soon as they rip off all the IP, lets stifle them.

fixed that for you...

[CoolHands]

Tariffs damage both sides

[dvs_dave]

raspy said:

There aren't any Chinese made cars sold in the US, regardless of fuel type. The 100% tariff is just a symbolic move. It's election year, remember.

Lincoln Nautilus
Buick Envision
Polestar 1
Polestar 2
Volvo S90
Lotus Eletre

All made in China and sold in the US. No actual Chinese brands, and wether the above vehicles continue to be sold remains unclear.

[James6112]

That’s why the Chinese are building factories in Mexico

[SSO]

hidetheelephants said:

Detroit is a large employer and a heavily unionised one, although 100% is pretty aggressive.

Exactly....and it's an election year

[Mad Maximus]

sparkymark75 said:

Happy to ship manufacturing to China but as soon as they start becoming competitive, lets stifle them.

Everyone was happy until China decided in wanted to be an open enemy instead of playing nicely.

[cjcor]

Mad Maximus said:

Everyone was happy until China decided in wanted to be an open enemy instead of playing nicely.

It is true that they no longer act meekly and take everything lying down as they used to. The demonization of China started around 2014, which coincided with their GDP exceeding that of the US (PPP). It was bound to happen anyway, that's how great power politics work.

[TheDeuce]

cjcor said:

Mad Maximus said:

Everyone was happy until China decided in wanted to be an open enemy instead of playing nicely.

It is true that they no longer act meekly and take everything lying down as they used to. The demonization of China started around 2014, which coincided with their GDP exceeding that of the US (PPP). It was bound to happen anyway, that's how great power politics work.

The interesting thing about China as a rising super power is that they're judged by the standards of Russia and the USA in terms of how they may use their new found muscle. It's easy to point out that they could starve the world of semiconductors and within weeks cause chaos, or batteries, or no doubt a hundred other things we don't think about very much.

But so far no one has been able to explain to me why they think China should want to do something like that. They have to find a position of power and influence in order to defend the modern (yet communist - yes) country they're building, it doesn't automatically equate to them wanting to take over the world.

[Digga]

cjcor said:

Mad Maximus said:

Everyone was happy until China decided in wanted to be an open enemy instead of playing nicely.

It is true that they no longer act meekly and take everything lying down as they used to. The demonization of China started around 2014, which coincided with their GDP exceeding that of the US (PPP). It was bound to happen anyway, that's how great power politics work.

What has crystalised the Wetern turn from China has been it's uncooperative response to the whole pandemic, in particular, the repeated, absolute lockdowns. The latter wrecked any semblence of good faith western supply chains had.

Add into the mix their highly ambiguous stance with regard to Russia and their invasion of Ukraine and you have an inability to read the room on a macro scale. If China think they can succeed without the West, they are mistaken. If China think the West cannot do without CHina they are similarly mistaken. Although much of the latter depends upon how reliabe and politically sensible India prove to be.

[Mr Penguin]

Digga said:

hat has crystalised the Wetern turn from China has been it's uncooperative response to the whole pandemic, in particular, the repeated, absolute lockdowns. The latter wrecked any semblence of good faith western supply chains had.

Add into the mix their highly ambiguous stance with regard to Russia and their invasion of Ukraine and you have an inability to read the room on a macro scale. If China think they can succeed without the West, they are mistaken. If China think the West cannot do without CHina they are similarly mistaken. Although much of the latter depends upon how reliabe and politically sensible India prove to be.

We should not be too hard on India if they do move towards China because they have to live with whatever decisions they make in the dangerous area where they live. They are bordered by China and Pakistan, two powerful nuclear powers who they have a longstanding rivalry with, not far from aggressive countries like Iran and Afghanistan, and they have a complex multi ethnic demography and as yet are not big military players who can easily deter those threats.

[Zetec-S]

TheDeuce said:

But so far no one has been able to explain to me why they think China should want to do something like that. They have to find a position of power and influence in order to defend the modern (yet communist - yes) country they're building, it doesn't automatically equate to them wanting to take over the world.

Tell that to people living in Hong Kong or Taiwan.

[TheDeuce]

Zetec-S said:

TheDeuce said:

But so far no one has been able to explain to me why they think China should want to do something like that. They have to find a position of power and influence in order to defend the modern (yet communist - yes) country they're building, it doesn't automatically equate to them wanting to take over the world.

Tell that to people living in Hong Kong or Taiwan.

I'm pretty sure they've already noticed plenty of modernisation - are you just trying to make a point about human rights there as opposed to at home?

[Gecko1978]

Mr Penguin said:

Digga said:

hat has crystalised the Wetern turn from China has been it's uncooperative response to the whole pandemic, in particular, the repeated, absolute lockdowns. The latter wrecked any semblence of good faith western supply chains had.

Add into the mix their highly ambiguous stance with regard to Russia and their invasion of Ukraine and you have an inability to read the room on a macro scale. If China think they can succeed without the West, they are mistaken. If China think the West cannot do without CHina they are similarly mistaken. Although much of the latter depends upon how reliabe and politically sensible India prove to be.

We should not be too hard on India if they do move towards China because they have to live with whatever decisions they make in the dangerous area where they live. They are bordered by China and Pakistan, two powerful nuclear powers who they have a longstanding rivalry with, not far from aggressive countries like Iran and Afghanistan, and they have a complex multi ethnic demography and as yet are not big military players who can easily deter those threats.

Countrie are like mates not families you can pick and choose but if you get in with the wrong crowd you cant always leave

[Mortarboard]

dvs_dave said:

raspy said:

There aren't any Chinese made cars sold in the US, regardless of fuel type. The 100% tariff is just a symbolic move. It's election year, remember.

Lincoln Nautilus
Buick Envision
Polestar 1
Polestar 2
Volvo S90
Lotus Eletre

All made in China and sold in the US. No actual Chinese brands, and wether the above vehicles continue to be sold remains unclear.

And I believe VW has some Chinese rebranded vehicle on the way too. That's probably not going to happen now either.

The tarrifs run up and down the supply chain for EVs. It's not just finished vehicles. Tarrifs were delayed to get the infrastructure projects up and running, now they're progressing, the tarrifs can come in.

M.