Unemployment benefits removed after 12 months

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Not sure this will go down well tbh.


https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-pledges-to-...

[Getragdogleg]

It wont get the professional scroungers who have managed to get on long term sick even though there is cock all wrong with them.

[surveyor]

My issue with all of these, is that it won't be a professional deciding these things, but a grunt from G4S or Capita working from a system that dictates with no flexibility for indiviuals.

I think the Conservatives have now lost the plot and are desperate to pick up any right wing votes, while they need more centrists to stand a chance to win.

[Chrisgr31]

surveyor said:

I think the Conservatives have now lost the plot and are desperate to pick up any right wing votes, while they need more centrists to stand a chance to win.

I definitely agree with this. They seem to irritating the bulk of their voters to such an extent they’ll vote against them. Just depends who they do vote for.

[Bluevanman]

The Tories can pontificate all they want,they won't be in power

[Mr Penguin]

Doesn't seem unreasonable to me

• Removing benefits after 12 months for those deemed fit for work but who do not comply with conditions set by their work coach - such as accepting a job offer

There is absolutely no reason why someone should not work if they have an offer and are able to. If you simply don't want to work then you shouldn't be able to claim from the taxpayers who are willing to chip in.

[JagLover]

surveyor said:

My issue with all of these, is that it won't be a professional deciding these things, but a grunt from G4S or Capita working from a system that dictates with no flexibility for indiviuals.

I think the Conservatives have now lost the plot and are desperate to pick up any right wing votes, while they need more centrists to stand a chance to win.

Whoever wins the next election, and it is 99.9% certain to be Labour, will have to restrict the numbers being signed off on incapacity benefit on affordability grounds, so something like the changes proposed will be needed.

It might be a different process, or called something different, but Labour will not be able to afford hundreds of thousands more people being signed off long term sick, particularly the growing numbers of younger people, any more than the current government can.

[S600BSB]

Well something has to be done as the number of people signed off sick seems to be rising at an incredible rate. I believe strongly that everyone should pay their way, but am happy to be taxed to provide a safety net for those that are genuinely unable to do so. Huge NHS waiting lists are obviously also contributing to the problem.

[Earthdweller]

iirc unemployment benefits were never meant to be a lifestyle choice but an emergency safety net to help until people got back into work

I’m a firm believer in, and always have been, in work for welfare.

Not putting people in workhouses but actually having those able working for their communities until they can get back into work

[z4RRSchris]

political posturing to appeal to their right wing who they are scared of losing to reform, whilst alienating the center ground they need to win an election.

plus, they wont be in charge for another 2 terms, so who cares. The people you see today in the tory party wont be around the next time they are in power.

[Terminator X]

Unintended consequence of asking about peoples mental health all the time

TX.

[Colonel Cupcake]

Earthdweller said:

iirc unemployment benefits were never meant to be a lifestyle choice but an emergency safety net to help until people got back into work

I’m a firm believer in, and always have been, in work for welfare.

Not putting people in workhouses but actually having those able working for their communities until they can get back into work

If the work is there, why isn't a proper job created to do it?

[ChocolateFrog]

Bluevanman said:

The Tories can pontificate all they want,they won't be in power

That's what I was thinking.

Not sure why anyone is taking a blind bit of notice what a load of unemployed rambling lunatics think.

[Oliver Hardy]

Pointed out this in other threads, problem is there is zero support for helping people back into work.

I have a degree in IT and a HGV licence yet there was no help to get with retraining. Not having driven a HGV for 15 years I asked for £380 to do a driving reassessment, which was to expensive

[ChocolateFrog]

JagLover said:

surveyor said:

My issue with all of these, is that it won't be a professional deciding these things, but a grunt from G4S or Capita working from a system that dictates with no flexibility for indiviuals.

I think the Conservatives have now lost the plot and are desperate to pick up any right wing votes, while they need more centrists to stand a chance to win.

Whoever wins the next election, and it is 99.9% certain to be Labour, will have to restrict the numbers being signed off on incapacity benefit on affordability grounds, so something like the changes proposed will be needed.

It might be a different process, or called something different, but Labour will not be able to afford hundreds of thousands more people being signed off long term sick, particularly the growing numbers of younger people, any more than the current government can.

Do they though.

For as long as I care to remember (circa 35 years) getting people off sick and back into work has apparently been a priority.

Not much ever changes. No doubt there's plenty of people getting rich from the likes of Motability.

[BikeBikeBIke]

JagLover said:

Whoever wins the next election, and it is 99.9% certain to be Labour, will have to restrict the numbers being signed off on incapacity benefit on affordability grounds, so something like the changes proposed will be needed.

It might be a different process, or called something different, but Labour will not be able to afford hundreds of thousands more people being signed off long term sick, particularly the growing numbers of younger people, any more than the current government can.

This.

The fundamental problem is productivity and any government of any colour will have to fix it or (more likely) deal with the fallout with methods like this one.

[JagLover]

ChocolateFrog said:

Do they though.

For as long as I care to remember (circa 35 years) getting people off sick and back into work has apparently been a priority.

Not much ever changes. No doubt there's plenty of people getting rich from the likes of Motability.

The numbers on incapacity benefit have risen significantly to around 2.4 million working age adults. It is forecast to rise further to 2.9 million by 2028-29.

More of the new claimants are younger and claims for mental health conditions form a much higher proportion of the total.

Cynically I don't think the government was all that bothered about older claimants sitting on incapacity benefit as it kept them out of the unemployment numbers, it will be the newer trends that will concern them.

[valiant]

Mr Penguin said:

Doesn't seem unreasonable to me

• Removing benefits after 12 months for those deemed fit for work but who do not comply with conditions set by their work coach - such as accepting a job offer

There is absolutely no reason why someone should not work if they have an offer and are able to. If you simply don't want to work then you shouldn't be able to claim from the taxpayers who are willing to chip in.

Who will deem them fit for work?

If it’s a doctor or other medical professional then fair enough. If it’s non-qualified civil servant or worse, some outsourced Capita drone following a flowchart with targets to hit then I’d be worried.

[Wills2]

Bluevanman said:

The Tories can pontificate all they want,they won't be in power

Indeed why are they bothering? Everything they are announcing seems to be designed to ensure they lose the GE just in case there is a merest chance they could scrape by, the last little wheeze was to announce they would fine the homeless, it's straight out of an Alan B'stard script.

[z4RRSchris]

becuase half their power base, actual tory members, are thinking of voting reform.