EU migration pact
Discussion
I am not sure how effective it will be but the EU has finally agreed on a migration pact, so that there is a common approach to illegal migration and asylum seekers (with the aim to limit both).
Will it work better than the UK’s attempts?
(For those complaining of no link the article I’m reading is in a Danish newspaper).
Will it work better than the UK’s attempts?
(For those complaining of no link the article I’m reading is in a Danish newspaper).
Italy and Greece will be happy - though there will be losers - eastern Europe? Northern Europe, France?
No veto interestingly - just a majority vote needed. That's why it's only taken 9 years I guess.
It all seems quite sensible - faster processing of claims, share responsibility (something the UK government had to mandate across council areas for handling UK asylum claimants).
I also see about processing "simple" claims without the claimant being in the EU.
Is this new I wonder? The UK is clear the applicant has to be in the UK to claim asylum (thus creating the ridiculous position of an "illegal" entry being needed to claim a legal right)
All we have to do is wait 2 years until this comes into force, then we can see how it goes.
The UK might have processed some asylum claims by then...
No veto interestingly - just a majority vote needed. That's why it's only taken 9 years I guess.
It all seems quite sensible - faster processing of claims, share responsibility (something the UK government had to mandate across council areas for handling UK asylum claimants).
I also see about processing "simple" claims without the claimant being in the EU.
Is this new I wonder? The UK is clear the applicant has to be in the UK to claim asylum (thus creating the ridiculous position of an "illegal" entry being needed to claim a legal right)
All we have to do is wait 2 years until this comes into force, then we can see how it goes.
The UK might have processed some asylum claims by then...
Ian Geary said:
It all seems quite sensible - faster processing of claims, share responsibility (something the UK government had to mandate across council areas for handling UK asylum claimants).
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The UK might have processed some asylum claims by then...
Wow, that does seem simple and sensible. At least we've taken back control from all that....
The UK might have processed some asylum claims by then...
Mrr T said:
Typical EU scheme. Process claims within 14 week and deport those whos claims fail within 14 weeks. Absolute stupid woke lefty attitude. They should join with the UK to spend millions and fail to send anyone to Rwanda.
But then how will they fill towns and cities around the country up with asylum seekers and encourage the xenophobes to vote crankedup5 said:
Hungary and Poland prefer to ignore Brussels edict. Financial penalties incoming for them.
That's why there's a mechanism to allow other forms of support up to and including financial for countries who don't want to take their calculated share. Overall, it seems reasonably sensible, though it will be interesting to see how it goes in practice. Certainly more sensible than what the UK has been trying to do in this space. It's not like this stuff is brain surgery, you just need to be pragmatic about it. Next step should be the next UK government working out how to align or integrate with it.
E63eeeeee... said:
That's why there's a mechanism to allow other forms of support up to and including financial for countries who don't want to take their calculated share.
Overall, it seems reasonably sensible, though it will be interesting to see how it goes in practice. Certainly more sensible than what the UK has been trying to do in this space. It's not like this stuff is brain surgery, you just need to be pragmatic about it. Next step should be the next UK government working out how to align or integrate with it.
It certainly will be interesting to see how it works in practice. It will be interesting to see how the various Countries populations react. The EU support is to be funded by those Countries not taking what is deemed ‘their fair share’, whatever that is and how it’s worked out is not clear. But hey ho, the U.K. is out of it so not to be concerned on thatOverall, it seems reasonably sensible, though it will be interesting to see how it goes in practice. Certainly more sensible than what the UK has been trying to do in this space. It's not like this stuff is brain surgery, you just need to be pragmatic about it. Next step should be the next UK government working out how to align or integrate with it.
Unfortunately pragmatism does not house these people, least not so far as the U.K. works..
IIRC Starmer has already sought Brussels considerations regarding the U.K. tagging with them on the question of ‘migrant fair shares’. They told him that as U.K. is not an. EU member it’s a U.K. problem sling your hook, words to effect.
Edited by crankedup5 on Thursday 11th April 15:20
crankedup5 said:
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IIRC Starmer has already sought Brussels considerations regarding the U.K. tagging with them on the question of ‘migrant fair shares’. They told him that as U.K. is not an. EU member it’s a U.K. problem sling your hook, words to effect.
If that’s true I don’t blame them. We have been a pain in the ass to deal with since the vote and happily mud sling at any opportunity, I would have told us to sod off too. IIRC Starmer has already sought Brussels considerations regarding the U.K. tagging with them on the question of ‘migrant fair shares’. They told him that as U.K. is not an. EU member it’s a U.K. problem sling your hook, words to effect.
Edited by crankedup5 on Thursday 11th April 15:20
Dingu said:
crankedup5 said:
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IIRC Starmer has already sought Brussels considerations regarding the U.K. tagging with them on the question of ‘migrant fair shares’. They told him that as U.K. is not an. EU member it’s a U.K. problem sling your hook, words to effect.
If that’s true I don’t blame them. We have been a pain in the ass to deal with since the vote and happily mud sling at any opportunity, I would have told us to sod off too. IIRC Starmer has already sought Brussels considerations regarding the U.K. tagging with them on the question of ‘migrant fair shares’. They told him that as U.K. is not an. EU member it’s a U.K. problem sling your hook, words to effect.
Edited by crankedup5 on Thursday 11th April 15:20
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Dingu said:
crankedup5 said:
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IIRC Starmer has already sought Brussels considerations regarding the U.K. tagging with them on the question of ‘migrant fair shares’. They told him that as U.K. is not an. EU member it’s a U.K. problem sling your hook, words to effect.
If that’s true I don’t blame them. We have been a pain in the ass to deal with since the vote and happily mud sling at any opportunity, I would have told us to sod off too. IIRC Starmer has already sought Brussels considerations regarding the U.K. tagging with them on the question of ‘migrant fair shares’. They told him that as U.K. is not an. EU member it’s a U.K. problem sling your hook, words to effect.
Edited by crankedup5 on Thursday 11th April 15:20
Mrr T said:
Typical EU scheme. Process claims within 14 week and deport those whos claims fail within 14 weeks. Absolute stupid woke lefty attitude. They should join with the UK to spend millions and fail to send anyone to Rwanda.
Where are they going to deport them to? Their unsafe home country. Look forward to the ECHR and the UN putting a stop to that before a single person is sent home.Vanden Saab said:
Mrr T said:
Typical EU scheme. Process claims within 14 week and deport those whos claims fail within 14 weeks. Absolute stupid woke lefty attitude. They should join with the UK to spend millions and fail to send anyone to Rwanda.
Where are they going to deport them to? Their unsafe home country. Look forward to the ECHR and the UN putting a stop to that before a single person is sent home.Vanden Saab said:
E63eeeeee... said:
I don't think you've quite understood the point of asylum.
And you seem unable to process the word deport...Not quite. The point of asylum is that you don't deport people to countries where they won't be safe. Perhaps you're thinking of something else.
Vanden Saab said:
Where are they going to deport them to? Their unsafe home country. Look forward to the ECHR and the UN putting a stop to that before a single person is sent home.
This will be the interesting part should it ever actually happen.My bet would be on another political construct that ends up with no end product.
Not an EU criticism...we've had enough of those ourselves on this topic. There are too many conflicting requirements at present. That will change over time, one way or the other.
E63eeeeee... said:
Vanden Saab said:
E63eeeeee... said:
I don't think you've quite understood the point of asylum.
And you seem unable to process the word deport...Not quite. The point of asylum is that you don't deport people to countries where they won't be safe. Perhaps you're thinking of something else.
Mrr T said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Vanden Saab said:
E63eeeeee... said:
I don't think you've quite understood the point of asylum.
And you seem unable to process the word deport...Not quite. The point of asylum is that you don't deport people to countries where they won't be safe. Perhaps you're thinking of something else.
Where are they going to deport them to?
Errrrrrrr...
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