Assaults on shopworkers law

[PositronicRay]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68773704

Isn't this already covered with existing legislation?
I think my vote goes to anyone offering to simplify, laws, taxes, inferstucture and admin. We don't need more.

[KingNothing]

I'm sure the scum who would do such things, really care that something that was already against the law, is now going to be against a different specific law

[Biggy Stardust]

I've said before that we don't need a 2-tier society where one group is deemed more worthy of special treatment than the rest.

It's stupid pointless law for the sole purpose of looking as if they're doing something.

Edited by Biggy Stardust on Wednesday 10th April 13:58

[BikeBikeBIke]

Seems a bit illogical but weirdly, I'm in favour of this. I do think a high profile higher sentence for assaults on shopworkers/bus drivers might put off some yobs.

Obvs detection is the only real deterrant, but that's expensive so nobody's gonna offer that.

[catso]

BikeBikeBIke said:

Seems a bit illogical but weirdly, I'm in favour of this. I do think a high profile higher sentence for assaults on shopworkers/bus drivers might put off some yobs.

Tougher sentencing for all assaults would also work, can't really see the point in creating different tiers other than the politics of being seen to be doing something...

[BikeBikeBIke]

catso said:

Tougher sentencing for all assaults would also work, can't really see the point in creating different tiers other than the politics of being seen to be doing something...

I think it might stick in the minds of some yobs if there's a distinction.

Anyway, try it and see, they can always repeal the law if it doesn't help.

[Biggy Stardust]

BikeBikeBIke said:

Anyway, try it and see, they can always repeal the law if it doesn't help.

That's not how they work- if it doesn't help they'll create more laws & regulations.

[JagLover]

Biggy Stardust said:

I've said before that we don't need a 2-tier society where one group is deemed more worthy of special treatment than the rest.

It's stupid pointless law for the sole purpose of looking as if they're doing something.

This basically.

[Gareth79]

Most barristers and other legal professionals objected to the emergency service assault law too. The sentencing guidelines already provide for harsher sentences with aggravating features, and if they aren't being followed or need revising then do that, don't just create new laws for specific circumstances.

We could all come up with numerous other circumstances which might deserve a higher sentence, it should all be something decided on a case-by-case basis by the magistrate or judge, and the sentencing guidelines should mention specifics where necessary, such as shop workers, transport drivers/staff etc.

[Greendubber]

It's pointless, existing legislation covers it.

[Rivenink]

There is already a law against it.

Pointless law from a pointless Tory Government.

[119]

Does having separate legislation give the option of differing sentences rather than the crime being lumped in with existing guidelines and potentially capped?

[Spare tyre]

Need to look at the cause of the scum pinching and assaulting

[sugerbear]

What about assaults on CFO's / CEO's / COO's ?

We are worth more to the country than mere shop workers! Why dont we have a law that protects us from the general public as well?

[Gareth79]

Also it says "Serial offenders could be forced to wear tags so their movements can be tracked". Perhaps only useful if they are banned from being within 100m of any shop in the country which is open

[XCP]

Greendubber said:

It's pointless, existing legislation covers it.

This. Assault or threats in order to steal is Robbery. Max sentence life imprisonment.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Rivenink said:

There is already a law against it.

Pointless law from a pointless Tory Government.

They need to work on their messaging becaise I thought this was a Labour suggestion. (Or I need to work on my hearing.)

[alangla]

It does sound like the sort of legislation either Blair or the SNP would cook up.

[hotchy]

Hopefully scotland follow suit. Personally think it needed singled out and the laws hardened up top stop people getting off with it. Iv had tills smashed, staff battered, spat at, things stolen and held up with a gun and knife over the years.

The knife got 2 years in prison.

The gun (imitation BB gun but who knew) got let off because staff member hit back breaking his jaw in 3 places. His injuries was lesson enough said the judge. He then stabbed a shop keeper 7 times just 4 months later.

Every other attack that never involved a weapon they've been let off with a slap on the wrist in reality. Just had a member of staff have the till smash over them, paypoint smashed up and the door to the back of the till smashed in and assaulted and guess what they got? Nothing. They got a "criminal record" but no actual sentence, fine or community service, nothing. Waste of day in court that one. Welcome to Scotland. Soft touch on all crime.

[808 Estate]

Greendubber said:

It's pointless, existing legislation covers it.

"But we can make it double illegal with bells on".