Trans actress wants to play other roles
Trans actress wants to play other roles
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ThunderSpook

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3,848 posts

229 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-6872...

Interesting question, a trans actress has decided that only playing trans roles is rather limiting. With all the pushing for only trans people to play trans roles, should we be pushing for only non trans actresses to play non trans roles? Or is there actually an argument that says acting is acting and really anyone should be able to play any roles?

gotoPzero

19,319 posts

207 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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Ah yes the Tropic Thunder Paradox.

119

14,714 posts

54 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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Les Dawson got away with it for years.

Rufus Stone

11,169 posts

74 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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ATG

22,491 posts

290 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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In an ideal world majority groups would not tend to discriminate against or overlook the needs of minority groups, and therefore the minority groups would not need any protection that wasn't also extended in a similar way to the majority.

But the world is not ideal and minority groups are frequently disadvantaged in practice. Consequently we sometimes choose to put in specific protection for those minority groups.

If you look at the protection in isolation it might look unbalanced because it only applies to a minority, but that's the whole bleeding point; only the minority needs the protection so of course it only applies to them.

NDA

23,697 posts

243 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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"Euphoria actress Hunter Schafer has said she no longer wants to play transgender roles."

Could this person play a male role? Some might say it would be better than attempting to take a female role away from a biological woman.

Bluevanman

8,815 posts

211 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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Panto

popeyewhite

23,008 posts

138 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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Bluevanman said:
Panto
Only seasonal work though?

normalbloke

8,218 posts

237 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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popeyewhite said:
Bluevanman said:
Panto
Only seasonal work though?
Oh no it isn’t.

OutInTheShed

12,459 posts

44 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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normalbloke said:
popeyewhite said:
Bluevanman said:
Panto
Only seasonal work though?
Oh no it isn’t.
It's behind you!


Your career, that is!

Gecko1978

11,923 posts

175 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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Acting is acting play any role you like. The point is you might not get the role as someone else is better. If you accept that and then don't get example female roles it's not because of discrimination its because they are better at that role.

Mr Pointy

12,657 posts

177 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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ATG said:
In an ideal world majority groups would not tend to discriminate against or overlook the needs of minority groups, and therefore the minority groups would not need any protection that wasn't also extended in a similar way to the majority.

But the world is not ideal and minority groups are frequently disadvantaged in practice. Consequently we sometimes choose to put in specific protection for those minority groups.

If you look at the protection in isolation it might look unbalanced because it only applies to a minority, but that's the whole bleeding point; only the minority needs the protection so of course it only applies to them.
Does that view extend to athletes & sports?

Oliver Hardy

3,096 posts

92 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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Caroline Cossey born Barry Cossey was Tula in James Bond Live and Let Die, was also a page 3 model and Playboy too, I think.



Edited for a pic from James Bond


Edited by Oliver Hardy on Wednesday 3rd April 18:15

popeyewhite

23,008 posts

138 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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As the Bond producers didn't know 'Tula' was trans you've kind of hit the nail on the head. No one knew, no one complained.

popeyewhite

23,008 posts

138 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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Mr Pointy said:
Does that view extend to athletes & sports?
Look up 'competitive', and 'fair'.

TeaNoSugar

1,403 posts

183 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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ATG

22,491 posts

290 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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Mr Pointy said:
ATG said:
In an ideal world majority groups would not tend to discriminate against or overlook the needs of minority groups, and therefore the minority groups would not need any protection that wasn't also extended in a similar way to the majority.

But the world is not ideal and minority groups are frequently disadvantaged in practice. Consequently we sometimes choose to put in specific protection for those minority groups.

If you look at the protection in isolation it might look unbalanced because it only applies to a minority, but that's the whole bleeding point; only the minority needs the protection so of course it only applies to them.
Does that view extend to athletes & sports?
Sports have all kinds of rules along similar lines. Handicaps are used in golf and horse racing. Age and sex segregation are the norm in most sports. If someone is sufficiently pea-brained, they could complain that this was discriminating against the most able.

The "problem" in sport is a collision between the physical disadvantage women have versus men in most sports versus trans women wishing to be treated as women while typically still having physical advantages over non-trans women. How do you strike a balance between those competing claims? By shouting at each other and refusing to look at the world from the other person's perspective.

See J K Rowling not being arrested for not breaking the law yet somehow defending free speech against an oppressive State as another example of this sort of nonsensical behaviour.

bloomen

8,677 posts

177 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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popeyewhite said:
As the Bond producers didn't know 'Tula' was trans you've kind of hit the nail on the head. No one knew, no one complained.
I believe she was somewhat intersex from birth and then headed for female so may even be offensive to trans frothers if she was deemed so.

If I were this lass I'd obtain a better agent if the only offers are trans roles.

No idea where the acting - 'authenticity' - offence equation popped up from. It's definitely one of sillier modern afflications.


CoolHands

21,488 posts

213 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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Pitre

5,420 posts

252 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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I've yet to see Eddy Izzard play a woman in anything, but he/she is a good actor (actress?). Of course (I think) he's 'only' a transvestite, not a transexual...