Trans actress wants to play other roles

Trans actress wants to play other roles

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ThunderSpook

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3,714 posts

218 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-6872...

Interesting question, a trans actress has decided that only playing trans roles is rather limiting. With all the pushing for only trans people to play trans roles, should we be pushing for only non trans actresses to play non trans roles? Or is there actually an argument that says acting is acting and really anyone should be able to play any roles?

gotoPzero

18,185 posts

196 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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Ah yes the Tropic Thunder Paradox.

119

9,626 posts

43 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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Les Dawson got away with it for years.

Rufus Stone

8,251 posts

63 months

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ATG

21,363 posts

279 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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In an ideal world majority groups would not tend to discriminate against or overlook the needs of minority groups, and therefore the minority groups would not need any protection that wasn't also extended in a similar way to the majority.

But the world is not ideal and minority groups are frequently disadvantaged in practice. Consequently we sometimes choose to put in specific protection for those minority groups.

If you look at the protection in isolation it might look unbalanced because it only applies to a minority, but that's the whole bleeding point; only the minority needs the protection so of course it only applies to them.

NDA

22,341 posts

232 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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"Euphoria actress Hunter Schafer has said she no longer wants to play transgender roles."

Could this person play a male role? Some might say it would be better than attempting to take a female role away from a biological woman.

Bluevanman

7,889 posts

200 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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Panto

popeyewhite

21,375 posts

127 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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Bluevanman said:
Panto
Only seasonal work though?

normalbloke

7,714 posts

226 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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popeyewhite said:
Bluevanman said:
Panto
Only seasonal work though?
Oh no it isn’t.

OutInTheShed

9,379 posts

33 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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normalbloke said:
popeyewhite said:
Bluevanman said:
Panto
Only seasonal work though?
Oh no it isn’t.
It's behind you!


Your career, that is!

Gecko1978

10,465 posts

164 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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Acting is acting play any role you like. The point is you might not get the role as someone else is better. If you accept that and then don't get example female roles it's not because of discrimination its because they are better at that role.

Mr Pointy

11,849 posts

166 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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ATG said:
In an ideal world majority groups would not tend to discriminate against or overlook the needs of minority groups, and therefore the minority groups would not need any protection that wasn't also extended in a similar way to the majority.

But the world is not ideal and minority groups are frequently disadvantaged in practice. Consequently we sometimes choose to put in specific protection for those minority groups.

If you look at the protection in isolation it might look unbalanced because it only applies to a minority, but that's the whole bleeding point; only the minority needs the protection so of course it only applies to them.
Does that view extend to athletes & sports?

Oliver Hardy

3,001 posts

81 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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Caroline Cossey born Barry Cossey was Tula in James Bond Live and Let Die, was also a page 3 model and Playboy too, I think.



Edited for a pic from James Bond


Edited by Oliver Hardy on Wednesday 3rd April 18:15

popeyewhite

21,375 posts

127 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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As the Bond producers didn't know 'Tula' was trans you've kind of hit the nail on the head. No one knew, no one complained.

popeyewhite

21,375 posts

127 months

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Mr Pointy said:
Does that view extend to athletes & sports?
Look up 'competitive', and 'fair'.

TeaNoSugar

1,311 posts

172 months

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ATG

21,363 posts

279 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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Mr Pointy said:
ATG said:
In an ideal world majority groups would not tend to discriminate against or overlook the needs of minority groups, and therefore the minority groups would not need any protection that wasn't also extended in a similar way to the majority.

But the world is not ideal and minority groups are frequently disadvantaged in practice. Consequently we sometimes choose to put in specific protection for those minority groups.

If you look at the protection in isolation it might look unbalanced because it only applies to a minority, but that's the whole bleeding point; only the minority needs the protection so of course it only applies to them.
Does that view extend to athletes & sports?
Sports have all kinds of rules along similar lines. Handicaps are used in golf and horse racing. Age and sex segregation are the norm in most sports. If someone is sufficiently pea-brained, they could complain that this was discriminating against the most able.

The "problem" in sport is a collision between the physical disadvantage women have versus men in most sports versus trans women wishing to be treated as women while typically still having physical advantages over non-trans women. How do you strike a balance between those competing claims? By shouting at each other and refusing to look at the world from the other person's perspective.

See J K Rowling not being arrested for not breaking the law yet somehow defending free speech against an oppressive State as another example of this sort of nonsensical behaviour.

bloomen

7,452 posts

166 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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popeyewhite said:
As the Bond producers didn't know 'Tula' was trans you've kind of hit the nail on the head. No one knew, no one complained.
I believe she was somewhat intersex from birth and then headed for female so may even be offensive to trans frothers if she was deemed so.

If I were this lass I'd obtain a better agent if the only offers are trans roles.

No idea where the acting - 'authenticity' - offence equation popped up from. It's definitely one of sillier modern afflications.


CoolHands

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202 months

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Pitre

4,998 posts

241 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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I've yet to see Eddy Izzard play a woman in anything, but he/she is a good actor (actress?). Of course (I think) he's 'only' a transvestite, not a transexual...