Women in Afghanistan abandoned

[Skeptisk]

I read this morning that the Taliban are bringing back public flogging and stoning for women, the latter for adultery.

The women in Afghanistan seem to have been abandoned by the Western community. Could or should we be doing something to help them?

How is it that the West spent billions (trillions?) in Afghanistan and the country seems to be in a worse state than ever for anyone other than male, religious fundamentalists.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Because extremists like fighting and are good at it, whereas liberals don't.

So when the West pulled out the people in the towns didn't defend themselves and their way of life from the nutters in the rural areas.

In hindsight pulling out was a big mistake but at the time it seemed pretty reasonable, our presence was small and seemed to be counter productive. Turned out a small number of troops and air support was actually holding the whole place together.

[grumbledoak]

Skeptisk said:

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How is it that the West spent billions (trillions?) in Afghanistan and the country seems to be in a worse state than ever for anyone other than male, religious fundamentalists.

The war has served it's purpose, laundering billions (trillions?) to the US military industrial complex for as long it they could maintain it. Nobody involved at any point gave two sts about the women of Afghanistan.

And now "we" are on to Ukraine.

[BikeBikeBIke]

grumbledoak said:

Skeptisk said:

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How is it that the West spent billions (trillions?) in Afghanistan and the country seems to be in a worse state than ever for anyone other than male, religious fundamentalists.

And now "we" are on to Ukraine.

Yeah, becaise "we" are definitely responsible for what Russia is doing in Ukraine. FFS.

[Skeptisk]

BikeBikeBIke said:

grumbledoak said:

Skeptisk said:

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How is it that the West spent billions (trillions?) in Afghanistan and the country seems to be in a worse state than ever for anyone other than male, religious fundamentalists.

And now "we" are on to Ukraine.

Yeah, becaise "we" are definitely responsible for what Russia is doing in Ukraine. FFS.

The West is responsible for its response to the war in Ukraine.

[Rufus Stone]

Skeptisk said:

I read this morning that the Taliban are bringing back public flogging and stoning for women, the latter for adultery.

The women in Afghanistan seem to have been abandoned by the Western community. Could or should we be doing something to help them?

How is it that the West spent billions (trillions?) in Afghanistan and the country seems to be in a worse state than ever for anyone other than male, religious fundamentalists.

Is it for just women though? Islam has the same punishment for both men and women I believe.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Skeptisk said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

grumbledoak said:

Skeptisk said:

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How is it that the West spent billions (trillions?) in Afghanistan and the country seems to be in a worse state than ever for anyone other than male, religious fundamentalists.

And now "we" are on to Ukraine.

Yeah, becaise "we" are definitely responsible for what Russia is doing in Ukraine. FFS.

The West is responsible for its response to the war in Ukraine.

Well we're clearly not doing anywhere near enough, but we're doing something which is better than we're doing elsewhere.

[Skeptisk]

Rufus Stone said:

Skeptisk said:

I read this morning that the Taliban are bringing back public flogging and stoning for women, the latter for adultery.

The women in Afghanistan seem to have been abandoned by the Western community. Could or should we be doing something to help them?

How is it that the West spent billions (trillions?) in Afghanistan and the country seems to be in a worse state than ever for anyone other than male, religious fundamentalists.

Is it for just women though? Islam has the same punishment for both men and women I believe.

So you think it gets applied equally and fairly?

Isn’t a man’s testimony under Sharia worth twice a woman’s testimony?

Under the previous Taliban regime weren’t they accused of stoning women who had been raped, because they were treated as adulterers?

[Rufus Stone]

Skeptisk said:

So you think it gets applied equally and fairly?

Isn’t a man’s testimony under Sharia worth twice a woman’s testimony?

Under the previous Taliban regime weren’t they accused of stoning women who had been raped, because they were treated as adulterers?

I don't know the answer to all your questions, but I am always wary of the constant portrayal in the media that only women are victims in the world.

[Skeptisk]

BikeBikeBIke said:

Skeptisk said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

grumbledoak said:

Skeptisk said:

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How is it that the West spent billions (trillions?) in Afghanistan and the country seems to be in a worse state than ever for anyone other than male, religious fundamentalists.

And now "we" are on to Ukraine.

Yeah, becaise "we" are definitely responsible for what Russia is doing in Ukraine. FFS.

The West is responsible for its response to the war in Ukraine.

Well we're clearly not doing anywhere near enough, but we're doing something which is better than we're doing elsewhere.

I genuinely don’t know if it is better. Is it not giving Ukrainians false hopes whilst prolonging the war at the cost of Ukrainian (and Russian) lives?

It is good news for manufacturers of weapons as it has massively increased demand whilst also proving a testing ground for their technology.

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Rufus Stone said:

Skeptisk said:

So you think it gets applied equally and fairly?

Isn’t a man’s testimony under Sharia worth twice a woman’s testimony?

Under the previous Taliban regime weren’t they accused of stoning women who had been raped, because they were treated as adulterers?

I don't know the answer to all your questions, but I am always wary of the constant portrayal in the media that only women are victims in the world.

How much of a clown do you have to be to think that fking Afghanistan is going to work to support your narrative that men are hard done by compared to women?

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/02/1146642

[Skeptisk]

Rufus Stone said:

Skeptisk said:

So you think it gets applied equally and fairly?

Isn’t a man’s testimony under Sharia worth twice a woman’s testimony?

Under the previous Taliban regime weren’t they accused of stoning women who had been raped, because they were treated as adulterers?

I don't know the answer to all your questions, but I am always wary of the constant portrayal in the media that only women are victims in the world.

You really need to take a good look in the mirror if you genuinely doubt that women under the Taliban aren’t victims of extreme repression by men.

That doesn’t mean that men aren’t amongst their victims too but women have almost no rights - they can’t work, can’t wear what they want, restricted as to where they can go, who they can meet and what they can do.

[swisstoni]

What do you suggest ‘the West community’ do about it?

[BikeBikeBIke]

Skeptisk said:

I genuinely don’t know if it is better. Is it not giving Ukrainians false hopes whilst prolonging the war at the cost of Ukrainian (and Russian) lives?.

They think it's better and it's their choice.

I would certainly want help if the UK was being invaded, we were pretty glad to have Amercia helping us out last time.

Wouldn't helping the Afgans get rid of their oppressors also be false hope? By your logic aren't Afgan women better off without our assistance?

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Friday 29th March 08:57

[s1962a]

swisstoni said:

What do you suggest ‘the West community’ do about it?

We invaded Afghanistan and were there for 20 years plus - do you recall why we did that?

[DeejRC]

Er I believe the blokes they don’t like are just shot.
And they have taken out and shot a lot of em since we all buggered off.

[Biker 1]

Seems to me that the Taliban are pretty popular over there. Umpteen invasions have not snuffed out their weird religious views, so what are 'we' supposed to do about it exactly? Sanctions? Another invasion to encourage western democracy?
Maybe 'we' could try the same in other places? Iran? Saudi? Somalia perhaps??

[s1962a]

Biker 1 said:

Seems to me that the Taliban are pretty popular over there. Umpteen invasions have not snuffed out their weird religious views, so what are 'we' supposed to do about it exactly? Sanctions? Another invasion to encourage western democracy?
Maybe 'we' could try the same in other places? Iran? Saudi? Somalia perhaps??

The Taliban are a pariah - they even have beef with all their neighbours and even ISIS think they are s - do you even recall who the Taliban are? They are the "freedom fighters" the west trained up to counter Russia. We left Afghanistan and allowed the Taliban to take over in a power vacuum, and thats part of the problem.

This was Afghanistan before Russia and the US got involved and the Taliban were manufactured.

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Rufus Stone said:

I don't know the answer to all your questions, but I am always wary of the constant portrayal in the media that only women are victims in the world.

And there was me hoping we had moved on from the dark ages.

[Iamnotkloot]

They appear to be equally awful to males (quoted from the Guardian):

In the past year alone, Taliban-appointed judges ordered 417 public floggings and executions, according to Afghan Witness, a research group monitoring human rights in Afghanistan. Of these, 57 were women.