Pontins in trouble for filtering traveller types
Discussion
Am I missing something here? As a holiday company they’ve obviously had problems historically and want to protect their staff and customers from potential trouble. What’s wrong with this?
Given lots of places won’t let groups of young lads in or stag dos or hen parties, isn’t it the same? Could be argued it’s for insurance reasons and safety?
To be honest - I see it as positive publicity!
Given lots of places won’t let groups of young lads in or stag dos or hen parties, isn’t it the same? Could be argued it’s for insurance reasons and safety?
To be honest - I see it as positive publicity!
W12GT said:
Am I missing something here? As a holiday company they’ve obviously had problems historically and want to protect their staff and customers from potential trouble. What’s wrong with this?
Given lots of places won’t let groups of young lads in or stag dos or hen parties, isn’t it the same? Could be argued it’s for insurance reasons and safety?
To be honest - I see it as positive publicity!
Yeah it's just well a but racist thoughGiven lots of places won’t let groups of young lads in or stag dos or hen parties, isn’t it the same? Could be argued it’s for insurance reasons and safety?
To be honest - I see it as positive publicity!
Bit of tail wagging the dog here.
If travelling folk, turned up, behaved, didn't wreck the joint, didnt steal and destroy stuff then they would be welcomed with open arms as companies like the revenue, so this decision is not based on race, its based on the financial realities that they will make a mess, cause fights, steal and generally be obnoxious. Double whammy as other guests leave if you have a full on traveller event.
Anyone playing a race card needs to think, am I justified in this or is it to try and get one over on someone or avoid any scrutiny on my s
tty behaviour ? Thing is, constant misuse will reduce the validity for those suffering genuine discrimination.
I sympathise with those travellers who conduct themselves well, I guess there must be some out there as they do get tarred (ironic...) with the same brush.
But anyone I know who has had any dealings has suffered. Where my dad worked had a vacant site next door and they set up in there, people stting behind their fire escape, tons or rubbish and rubble, 20k to clear it all up. The local Cricket field had them arrive, saw their kids donutting quad bikes on there, foot deep tyre tracks from vans, lorries and caravans. My wife worked in a wedding dress shop, some came in tried a dress on and walked out wearing it, over a grand back in the nineties. Thats why people dont welcome them with open arms, but dress it up as a race thing, they are the same race as I am, I have some Irish heritage, we have Irish family members and they dont do that stuff ? More a subculture than anything.
Its not hating people, its hating behaviour based on previous negative experiences.
If travelling folk, turned up, behaved, didn't wreck the joint, didnt steal and destroy stuff then they would be welcomed with open arms as companies like the revenue, so this decision is not based on race, its based on the financial realities that they will make a mess, cause fights, steal and generally be obnoxious. Double whammy as other guests leave if you have a full on traveller event.
Anyone playing a race card needs to think, am I justified in this or is it to try and get one over on someone or avoid any scrutiny on my s
tty behaviour ? Thing is, constant misuse will reduce the validity for those suffering genuine discrimination.I sympathise with those travellers who conduct themselves well, I guess there must be some out there as they do get tarred (ironic...) with the same brush.
But anyone I know who has had any dealings has suffered. Where my dad worked had a vacant site next door and they set up in there, people s
tting behind their fire escape, tons or rubbish and rubble, 20k to clear it all up. The local Cricket field had them arrive, saw their kids donutting quad bikes on there, foot deep tyre tracks from vans, lorries and caravans. My wife worked in a wedding dress shop, some came in tried a dress on and walked out wearing it, over a grand back in the nineties. Thats why people dont welcome them with open arms, but dress it up as a race thing, they are the same race as I am, I have some Irish heritage, we have Irish family members and they dont do that stuff ? More a subculture than anything.Its not hating people, its hating behaviour based on previous negative experiences.
vaud said:
J4CKO said:
Its not hating people, its hating behaviour based on previous negative experiences.
You can't profile people based on surnames and/or accent.Thing is, there are consequences to actions, maybe not right when you do it, but it builds over time and its not just those objecting being really racist for the sake if it.
BikeBikeBIke said:
All the pubs in my area close when travellers are in town.
I was booked into a lovely hotel in the Cotswolds last May for a weekend away with the wife. About a week before we were due to stay they emailed saying a horse fair was turning up and the whole town was closing whilst it was on, so that was the end of that. I ended up going to Bath instead which to be honest was a bit of a let down. I did sympathise with those having to close their businesses in order to protect them from the traveller types that just rip everyone else off though, who can blame them.
BikeBikeBIke said:
All the pubs in my area close when travellers are in town.
I used to work in Munich 1999-2000. A lot of the pubs and bars would close if there was a football match on with visiting British fans. My “local” Irish bar would close the front door and curtains and let regulars in round the back. Only matches involving UK fans caused this. Dog Star said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
All the pubs in my area close when travellers are in town.
I used to work in Munich 1999-2000. A lot of the pubs and bars would close if there was a football match on with visiting British fans. My “local” Irish bar would close the front door and curtains and let regulars in round the back. Only matches involving UK fans caused this. BikeBikeBIke said:
Dog Star said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
All the pubs in my area close when travellers are in town.
I used to work in Munich 1999-2000. A lot of the pubs and bars would close if there was a football match on with visiting British fans. My “local” Irish bar would close the front door and curtains and let regulars in round the back. Only matches involving UK fans caused this. Prior to this I’d spent a couple of years working in France and to a man every single person I met, when they found out I was British would come out with “ah, anglais, ‘olligans, eh” or some variant thereof.
Yep; a national embarrassment and a reason I cannot stand football or the knuckledragger fans. These days they’ve been joined by the package holiday crowd busy scrapping over sun beds.
Dog Star said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
Dog Star said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
All the pubs in my area close when travellers are in town.
I used to work in Munich 1999-2000. A lot of the pubs and bars would close if there was a football match on with visiting British fans. My “local” Irish bar would close the front door and curtains and let regulars in round the back. Only matches involving UK fans caused this. Prior to this I’d spent a couple of years working in France and to a man every single person I met, when they found out I was British would come out with “ah, anglais, ‘olligans, eh” or some variant thereof.
Yep; a national embarrassment and a reason I cannot stand football or the knuckledragger fans. These days they’ve been joined by the package holiday crowd busy scrapping over sun beds.
Not that I would ever go to a Pontins, I've noticed my surname on the list and wonder if it presents an opportunity to apply for an Irish passport. As far as I know, there has not been anyone Irish in my family for at least 5 generations and I am probably the first generation to have even been there. Maybe I could point to the Pontins list as justification.
Gecko1978 said:
W12GT said:
Am I missing something here? As a holiday company they’ve obviously had problems historically and want to protect their staff and customers from potential trouble. What’s wrong with this?
Given lots of places won’t let groups of young lads in or stag dos or hen parties, isn’t it the same? Could be argued it’s for insurance reasons and safety?
To be honest - I see it as positive publicity!
Yeah it's just well a but racist thoughGiven lots of places won’t let groups of young lads in or stag dos or hen parties, isn’t it the same? Could be argued it’s for insurance reasons and safety?
To be honest - I see it as positive publicity!
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