Mike Freer MP

[colin_p]

Mike Freer, Conservative MP for Finchley and Golders Green is stepping down due to repeated death threats from islamic groups and was targetted by the islamic chap who murdered Sir David Amess.

I think this is going to go on and be an increasingly common issue, and will only be a matter of time until another MP is murdered.

It isn't islamaphobia when they really are trying to kill you, and it seems no 'lessons were learned' from the murders of Jo Cox and David Amess. And yes, Jo Cox was murdered by an actual far right nutter, not an islamist.

With the Batley school teacher still in hiding since 2021 and the brave head of the Michaela Community School also receiving threats from islamists, it is time to move on from the prevailing 'nothing to see here' attitude.

Very sad times.

[Rivenink]

colin_p said:

Mike Freer, Conservative MP for Finchley and Golders Green is stepping down due to repeated death threats from islamic groups and was targetted by the islamic chap who murdered Sir David Amess.

I think this is going to go on and be an increasingly common issue, and will only be a matter of time until another MP is murdered.

It isn't islamaphobia when they really are trying to kill you, and it seems no 'lessons were learned' from the murders of Jo Cox and David Amess. And yes, Jo Cox was murdered by an actual far right nutter, not an islamist.

With the Batley school teacher still in hiding since 2021 and the brave head of the Michaela Community School also receiving threats from islamists, it is time to move on from the prevailing 'nothing to see here' attitude.

Very sad times.

It is a little telling that you'll admit that a far right extremist murdered Jo Cox, but instead of focusing on extremism of all hues, you want to focus on Islamic extremism specifically.

[colin_p]

Rivenink said:

It is a little telling that you'll admit that a far right extremist murdered Jo Cox, but instead of focusing on extremism of all hues, you want to focus on Islamic extremism specifically.

Because at this time, it is the most prevalent and poses the most risk.

[s1962a]

colin_p said:

Rivenink said:

It is a little telling that you'll admit that a far right extremist murdered Jo Cox, but instead of focusing on extremism of all hues, you want to focus on Islamic extremism specifically.

Because at this time, it is the most prevalent and poses the most risk.

Agree that MP's seem to be getting targeted. Sadiq Khan was getting death threats as well and has a security detail.

Can't our politicians just go about their business in peace?

[Police State]

Rivenink said:

colin_p said:

Mike Freer, Conservative MP for Finchley and Golders Green is stepping down due to repeated death threats from islamic groups and was targetted by the islamic chap who murdered Sir David Amess.

I think this is going to go on and be an increasingly common issue, and will only be a matter of time until another MP is murdered.

It isn't islamaphobia when they really are trying to kill you, and it seems no 'lessons were learned' from the murders of Jo Cox and David Amess. And yes, Jo Cox was murdered by an actual far right nutter, not an islamist.

With the Batley school teacher still in hiding since 2021 and the brave head of the Michaela Community School also receiving threats from islamists, it is time to move on from the prevailing 'nothing to see here' attitude.

Very sad times.

It is a little telling that you'll admit that a far right extremist murdered Jo Cox, but instead of focusing on extremism of all hues, you want to focus on Islamic extremism specifically.

It's a numbers game.

[andymadmak]

Rivenink said:

colin_p said:

Mike Freer, Conservative MP for Finchley and Golders Green is stepping down due to repeated death threats from islamic groups and was targetted by the islamic chap who murdered Sir David Amess.

I think this is going to go on and be an increasingly common issue, and will only be a matter of time until another MP is murdered.

It isn't islamaphobia when they really are trying to kill you, and it seems no 'lessons were learned' from the murders of Jo Cox and David Amess. And yes, Jo Cox was murdered by an actual far right nutter, not an islamist.

With the Batley school teacher still in hiding since 2021 and the brave head of the Michaela Community School also receiving threats from islamists, it is time to move on from the prevailing 'nothing to see here' attitude.

Very sad times.

It is a little telling that you'll admit that a far right extremist murdered Jo Cox, but instead of focusing on extremism of all hues, you want to focus on Islamic extremism specifically.

Joe Cox' murderer was a far right extremist with a long, documented history of severe mental illness. That doesn't change his political views or what he did, or the tragedy of Ms Cox death, but there IS a difference between an attack by someone who is mentally disturbed and the attacks/threats by people who are doing it in the name of their religion.

[s1962a]

andymadmak said:

Joe Cox' murderer was a far right extremist with a long, documented history of severe mental illness. That doesn't change his political views or what he did, or the tragedy of Ms Cox death, but there IS a difference between an attack by someone who is mentally disturbed and the attacks/threats by people who are doing it in the name of their religion.

Agree with that. Also people who make death threats due to ULEZ. MPs need greater protection from all these nutters.

[Rivenink]

Police State said:

Rivenink said:

colin_p said:

Mike Freer, Conservative MP for Finchley and Golders Green is stepping down due to repeated death threats from islamic groups and was targetted by the islamic chap who murdered Sir David Amess.

I think this is going to go on and be an increasingly common issue, and will only be a matter of time until another MP is murdered.

It isn't islamaphobia when they really are trying to kill you, and it seems no 'lessons were learned' from the murders of Jo Cox and David Amess. And yes, Jo Cox was murdered by an actual far right nutter, not an islamist.

With the Batley school teacher still in hiding since 2021 and the brave head of the Michaela Community School also receiving threats from islamists, it is time to move on from the prevailing 'nothing to see here' attitude.

Very sad times.

It is a little telling that you'll admit that a far right extremist murdered Jo Cox, but instead of focusing on extremism of all hues, you want to focus on Islamic extremism specifically.

It's a numbers game.

Is It?

Do you have some information the rest of us don't about how many extremists of a far right origin are under investigation/observation by the security services vs islamic extremists?

[CT05 Nose Cone]

Maybe he could share a hiding place with that teacher who was left in fear for his life after showing a cartoon

[andymadmak]

Rivenink said:

Police State said:

Rivenink said:

colin_p said:

Mike Freer, Conservative MP for Finchley and Golders Green is stepping down due to repeated death threats from islamic groups and was targetted by the islamic chap who murdered Sir David Amess.

I think this is going to go on and be an increasingly common issue, and will only be a matter of time until another MP is murdered.

It isn't islamaphobia when they really are trying to kill you, and it seems no 'lessons were learned' from the murders of Jo Cox and David Amess. And yes, Jo Cox was murdered by an actual far right nutter, not an islamist.

With the Batley school teacher still in hiding since 2021 and the brave head of the Michaela Community School also receiving threats from islamists, it is time to move on from the prevailing 'nothing to see here' attitude.

Very sad times.

It is a little telling that you'll admit that a far right extremist murdered Jo Cox, but instead of focusing on extremism of all hues, you want to focus on Islamic extremism specifically.

It's a numbers game.

Is It?

Do you have some information the rest of us don't about how many extremists of a far right origin are under investigation/observation by the security services vs islamic extremists?

I read recently that 75% of the current UK terrorist threats being handled by MI5 are from Muslim extremists, with most of the remaining 25% coming from right wing extremists.

Edited to add:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/renewed-counter...

Government website July 2023 said:

Islamist terrorism is currently the largest terrorist threat faced by the UK in volume making up around three quarters of MI5’s caseload. Extreme right-wing terrorism almost exclusively represents the remaining threat.

Edited by andymadmak on Thursday 1st February 10:55

[Rivenink]

andymadmak said:

Rivenink said:

colin_p said:

Mike Freer, Conservative MP for Finchley and Golders Green is stepping down due to repeated death threats from islamic groups and was targetted by the islamic chap who murdered Sir David Amess.

I think this is going to go on and be an increasingly common issue, and will only be a matter of time until another MP is murdered.

It isn't islamaphobia when they really are trying to kill you, and it seems no 'lessons were learned' from the murders of Jo Cox and David Amess. And yes, Jo Cox was murdered by an actual far right nutter, not an islamist.

With the Batley school teacher still in hiding since 2021 and the brave head of the Michaela Community School also receiving threats from islamists, it is time to move on from the prevailing 'nothing to see here' attitude.

Very sad times.

It is a little telling that you'll admit that a far right extremist murdered Jo Cox, but instead of focusing on extremism of all hues, you want to focus on Islamic extremism specifically.

Joe Cox' murderer was a far right extremist with a long, documented history of severe mental illness. That doesn't change his political views or what he did, or the tragedy of Ms Cox death, but there IS a difference between an attack by someone who is mentally disturbed and the attacks/threats by people who are doing it in the name of their religion.

And yet security services are spending a significant amount of resources on protecting the country against threats from far-right extremists.

So why isn't this thread about extremism in general, instead of being a rant about Muslims.

[andymadmak]

Rivenink said:

andymadmak said:

Rivenink said:

colin_p said:

Mike Freer, Conservative MP for Finchley and Golders Green is stepping down due to repeated death threats from islamic groups and was targetted by the islamic chap who murdered Sir David Amess.

I think this is going to go on and be an increasingly common issue, and will only be a matter of time until another MP is murdered.

It isn't islamaphobia when they really are trying to kill you, and it seems no 'lessons were learned' from the murders of Jo Cox and David Amess. And yes, Jo Cox was murdered by an actual far right nutter, not an islamist.

With the Batley school teacher still in hiding since 2021 and the brave head of the Michaela Community School also receiving threats from islamists, it is time to move on from the prevailing 'nothing to see here' attitude.

Very sad times.

It is a little telling that you'll admit that a far right extremist murdered Jo Cox, but instead of focusing on extremism of all hues, you want to focus on Islamic extremism specifically.

Joe Cox' murderer was a far right extremist with a long, documented history of severe mental illness. That doesn't change his political views or what he did, or the tragedy of Ms Cox death, but there IS a difference between an attack by someone who is mentally disturbed and the attacks/threats by people who are doing it in the name of their religion.

And yet security services are spending a significant amount of resources on protecting the country against threats from far-right extremists.

So why isn't this thread about extremism in general, instead of being a rant about Muslims.

Perhaps because three quarters of the threat is from Muslims?

[Rivenink]

andymadmak said:

Rivenink said:

Police State said:

Rivenink said:

colin_p said:

Mike Freer, Conservative MP for Finchley and Golders Green is stepping down due to repeated death threats from islamic groups and was targetted by the islamic chap who murdered Sir David Amess.

I think this is going to go on and be an increasingly common issue, and will only be a matter of time until another MP is murdered.

It isn't islamaphobia when they really are trying to kill you, and it seems no 'lessons were learned' from the murders of Jo Cox and David Amess. And yes, Jo Cox was murdered by an actual far right nutter, not an islamist.

With the Batley school teacher still in hiding since 2021 and the brave head of the Michaela Community School also receiving threats from islamists, it is time to move on from the prevailing 'nothing to see here' attitude.

Very sad times.

It is a little telling that you'll admit that a far right extremist murdered Jo Cox, but instead of focusing on extremism of all hues, you want to focus on Islamic extremism specifically.

It's a numbers game.

Is It?

Do you have some information the rest of us don't about how many extremists of a far right origin are under investigation/observation by the security services vs islamic extremists?

I read recently that 75% of the current UK terrorist threats being handled by MI5 are from Muslim extremists, with most of the remaining 25% coming from right wing extremists.

Edited to add:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/renewed-counter...

Government website July 2023 said:

Islamist terrorism is currently the largest terrorist threat faced by the UK in volume making up around three quarters of MI5’s caseload. Extreme right-wing terrorism almost exclusively represents the remaining threat.

Edited by andymadmak on Thursday 1st February 10:55

Thanks for the link, appreciated.

Doesn't say 75%, but does say majority.

So we have two idealogies causing >99% of the extremist threat in the UK.

Not exactly complicated to have a dicussion that involves both?

[s1962a]

Rivenink said:

So why isn't this thread about extremism in general, instead of being a rant about Muslims.

Because it's an uncomfortable truth that people will go to extremes for a variety of reasons. Islamist extremism, far right groups, ULEZ bladerunners, anti abortion activists, climate change groups. Jo Cox was murdered in an abhorrent attack. I don't blame Mike Freer or any other MP facing extremism to not consider it worth it.

[JagLover]

Rivenink said:

And yet security services are spending a significant amount of resources on protecting the country against threats from far-right extremists.

So why isn't this thread about extremism in general, instead of being a rant about Muslims.

Perhaps because the MP in question suffered arson attacks, and was advised to wear a stab vest to constituency meetings, due to extremist groups from the latter?.

So it is not really about "extremism in general" is it but the threat to the western way of life represented by Islamic fundamentalism.

These threads usually go the same way with people trying to pretend there isn't a problem and that the existence of far-right groups somehow means that thousands of Islamic extremists are less of an issue.

[Rivenink]

JagLover said:

Rivenink said:

And yet security services are spending a significant amount of resources on protecting the country against threats from far-right extremists.

So why isn't this thread about extremism in general, instead of being a rant about Muslims.

Perhaps because the MP in question suffered arson attacks, and was advised to wear a stab vest to constituency meetings, due to extremist groups from the latter?.

So it is not really about "extremism in general" is it but the threat to the western way of life represented by Islamic fundamentalism.

These threads usually go the same way with people trying to pretend there isn't a problem and that the existence of far-right groups somehow means that thousands of Islamic extremists are less of an issue.

These threads usually go the same way with people pretending that there isn't a problem and that the existance of Islamic Extremist groups some how means that thousands of Far Right extremists are less of an issue.


It works both ways.

Extremism is the issue. So lets discuss that?

[s1962a]

JagLover said:

Perhaps because the MP in question suffered arson attacks, and was advised to wear a stab vest to constituency meetings, due to extremist groups from the latter?.

So it is not really about "extremism in general" is it but the threat to the western way of life represented by Islamic fundamentalism.

These threads usually go the same way with people trying to pretend there isn't a problem and that the existence of far-right groups somehow means that thousands of Islamic extremists are less of an issue.

Is it as straightforward as that? Mike Freer seems to be being targeted because he support Israel, which he should freely be allowed to do as is his right. No group or individuals should be targeting him because of that.

Antisemitism in the UK seems to be on the rise, and it's a worrying trend amongst the far right groups. It's not it being a sole issue to do with Islamist extremism.

https://www.thejc.com/news/how-britains-neo-nazi-d...

[andymadmak]

Rivenink said:

Thanks for the link, appreciated.

Doesn't say 75%, but does say majority.

So we have two idealogies causing >99% of the extremist threat in the UK.

Not exactly complicated to have a dicussion that involves both?

It does actually say three quarters..... so thats 75%.
Freer is specifically facing threats from Islamist extremists. This thread is about Freer. Given those three facts, I'm not sure why you would want to make it a more general discussion about extremist threats in the UK unless you're simply uncomfortable with accepting the reality that 75% comes from the Muslim community?

[jshell]

s1962a said:

JagLover said:

Perhaps because the MP in question suffered arson attacks, and was advised to wear a stab vest to constituency meetings, due to extremist groups from the latter?.

So it is not really about "extremism in general" is it but the threat to the western way of life represented by Islamic fundamentalism.

These threads usually go the same way with people trying to pretend there isn't a problem and that the existence of far-right groups somehow means that thousands of Islamic extremists are less of an issue.

Is it as straightforward as that? Mike Freer seems to be being targeted because he support Israel, which he should freely be allowed to do as is his right. No group or individuals should be targeting him because of that.

Antisemitism in the UK seems to be on the rise, and it's a worrying trend amongst the far right groups. It's not it being a sole issue to do with Islamist extremism.

https://www.thejc.com/news/how-britains-neo-nazi-d...

Isn't anti-semitism on the rise mostly in the left side of politics? It seems to be the left supporting Palestine to me.

[P-Jay]

s1962a said:

Agree that MP's seem to be getting targeted. Sadiq Khan was getting death threats as well and has a security detail.

Can't our politicians just go about their business in peace?

Sadly it seems not, the world is becoming a darker, sinister, and frankly stupid place.

I doubt it helps that all Political Parties are quite happy to whip up people through shady online practices when they feel they need to.

This GE that's coming could be a very nasty one.