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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68085532
Actor Idris Elba says there is no "one size fits all" answer to tackling knife crime, after victims' families urged mandatory jail terms for possession.
Dr Sinead O'Malley, whose daughter was killed in Nottingham last year, has called for compulsory prison sentences.
Elba said deterrents were crucial, but that some people carry knives out of fear.
It comes as the government announced plans to close "a legal loophole" to ban the sale of zombie knives.
Speaking to BBC Breakfast, Elba said many young people - usually young men - carry knives because they are scared, because they have been stabbed themselves, or have seen someone else stabbed.
Sorry but if your stopped with a knife then you should face consequences. And the custodial sentence is one mighty deterrent. No one should be carrying a knife.
Actor Idris Elba says there is no "one size fits all" answer to tackling knife crime, after victims' families urged mandatory jail terms for possession.
Dr Sinead O'Malley, whose daughter was killed in Nottingham last year, has called for compulsory prison sentences.
Elba said deterrents were crucial, but that some people carry knives out of fear.
It comes as the government announced plans to close "a legal loophole" to ban the sale of zombie knives.
Speaking to BBC Breakfast, Elba said many young people - usually young men - carry knives because they are scared, because they have been stabbed themselves, or have seen someone else stabbed.
Sorry but if your stopped with a knife then you should face consequences. And the custodial sentence is one mighty deterrent. No one should be carrying a knife.
ruggedscotty said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68085532
Actor Idris Elba says there is no "one size fits all" answer to tackling knife crime, after victims' families urged mandatory jail terms for possession.
Dr Sinead O'Malley, whose daughter was killed in Nottingham last year, has called for compulsory prison sentences.
Elba said deterrents were crucial, but that some people carry knives out of fear.
It comes as the government announced plans to close "a legal loophole" to ban the sale of zombie knives.
Speaking to BBC Breakfast, Elba said many young people - usually young men - carry knives because they are scared, because they have been stabbed themselves, or have seen someone else stabbed.
Sorry but if your stopped with a knife then you should face consequences. And the custodial sentence is one mighty deterrent. No one should be carrying a knife.
This gets into the US scenario where people want guns because other people have guns, and so the arms race starts.Actor Idris Elba says there is no "one size fits all" answer to tackling knife crime, after victims' families urged mandatory jail terms for possession.
Dr Sinead O'Malley, whose daughter was killed in Nottingham last year, has called for compulsory prison sentences.
Elba said deterrents were crucial, but that some people carry knives out of fear.
It comes as the government announced plans to close "a legal loophole" to ban the sale of zombie knives.
Speaking to BBC Breakfast, Elba said many young people - usually young men - carry knives because they are scared, because they have been stabbed themselves, or have seen someone else stabbed.
Sorry but if your stopped with a knife then you should face consequences. And the custodial sentence is one mighty deterrent. No one should be carrying a knife.
Agree that if you are carrying a lethal weapon without just cause then you should be charged
faronalexpaul on instagram is trying to tackle knife crime one knife at a time. A remarkable man taking knives off the street with little support (and at times resistance) from the police.
Community led projects by people like Faron will be the only answer to making inner cities safer. The government need to step up investment into community projects and invest in police funding - most stations don’t even have an amnesty box any more.
Community led projects by people like Faron will be the only answer to making inner cities safer. The government need to step up investment into community projects and invest in police funding - most stations don’t even have an amnesty box any more.
Burrow01 said:
ruggedscotty said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68085532
Actor Idris Elba says there is no "one size fits all" answer to tackling knife crime, after victims' families urged mandatory jail terms for possession.
Dr Sinead O'Malley, whose daughter was killed in Nottingham last year, has called for compulsory prison sentences.
Elba said deterrents were crucial, but that some people carry knives out of fear.
It comes as the government announced plans to close "a legal loophole" to ban the sale of zombie knives.
Speaking to BBC Breakfast, Elba said many young people - usually young men - carry knives because they are scared, because they have been stabbed themselves, or have seen someone else stabbed.
Sorry but if your stopped with a knife then you should face consequences. And the custodial sentence is one mighty deterrent. No one should be carrying a knife.
This gets into the US scenario where people want guns because other people have guns, and so the arms race starts.Actor Idris Elba says there is no "one size fits all" answer to tackling knife crime, after victims' families urged mandatory jail terms for possession.
Dr Sinead O'Malley, whose daughter was killed in Nottingham last year, has called for compulsory prison sentences.
Elba said deterrents were crucial, but that some people carry knives out of fear.
It comes as the government announced plans to close "a legal loophole" to ban the sale of zombie knives.
Speaking to BBC Breakfast, Elba said many young people - usually young men - carry knives because they are scared, because they have been stabbed themselves, or have seen someone else stabbed.
Sorry but if your stopped with a knife then you should face consequences. And the custodial sentence is one mighty deterrent. No one should be carrying a knife.
Agree that if you are carrying a lethal weapon without just cause then you should be charged
He has a good point. Sentences are only one way of tackling the problem. Their needs to be a fully worked and funded examination as to why some kids are carrying knives and what we can do to reduce this. It may be a multi-factor approach, with investment into youth programmes, accepting some uncomfortable truths and trying to break kids out of gangs and cycle of violence, funding police task forces, in terms of ground level community policing and aggressive task force policing .....
I don't know what the answer is, but sentences as a deterrent are only part of the picture and will only work on a certain section of potential offenders.
Castrol for a knave said:
He has a good point. Sentences are only one way of tackling the problem. Their needs to be a fully worked and funded examination as to why some kids are carrying knives and what we can do to reduce this. It may be a multi-factor approach, with investment into youth programmes, accepting some uncomfortable truths and trying to break kids out of gangs and cycle of violence, funding police task forces, in terms of ground level community policing and aggressive task force policing .....
I don't know what the answer is, but sentences as a deterrent are only part of the picture and will only work on a certain section of potential offenders.
No, he has a poor point, as it's the same argument for guns.I don't know what the answer is, but sentences as a deterrent are only part of the picture and will only work on a certain section of potential offenders.
I agree that sentences are only a small part of the problem, and wont deter the worst offenders. However that's true of guns too. The fact is that too many young people appear to carry knives. Strict sentencing will substantially reduce that, leaving it just to the worst offenders. It won't cure the problem, but will reduce it.
Mandatory sentencing didn't work last time and likely won't work in the future.
Length of sentencing has a much smaller impact on crime reduction than the likelihood of getting caught. And the (typically) young men who they are after won't think they will get caught anyway.
We could end up doing a load of stop and search (with all the problems with discrimination that brings). But that would require loads more police.
Plus you can't ignore the discrimination aspect. I'm sure the people in favour of random stop and search wouldn't be happy to be searched by the police on a regular basis purely because of their 'demographic'.
Length of sentencing has a much smaller impact on crime reduction than the likelihood of getting caught. And the (typically) young men who they are after won't think they will get caught anyway.
We could end up doing a load of stop and search (with all the problems with discrimination that brings). But that would require loads more police.
Plus you can't ignore the discrimination aspect. I'm sure the people in favour of random stop and search wouldn't be happy to be searched by the police on a regular basis purely because of their 'demographic'.
Edited by Donbot on Thursday 25th January 16:34
Donbot said:
Mandatory sentencing didn't work last time and likely won't work in the future.
Pretty much this.Prevention is better than cure and it's been repeatedly proven that harsher sentences do not reduce crime... Doublely so when kids are involved as they're the least likely demographic to consider the consequences.
Focusing on the causes and drivers of knife crime and the associated stressors is hard and saying "lock people up (in prisons that have no room)" is easier for the hard of thinking to digest.
captain_cynic said:
Donbot said:
Mandatory sentencing didn't work last time and likely won't work in the future.
Pretty much this.Prevention is better than cure and it's been repeatedly proven that harsher sentences do not reduce crime... Doublely so when kids are involved as they're the least likely demographic to consider the consequences.
Focusing on the causes and drivers of knife crime and the associated stressors is hard and saying "lock people up (in prisons that have no room)" is easier for the hard of thinking to digest.
As usual, there is a complex problem with several underlying issues causing a dangerous symptom.
As usual, the Government announces some lazy measure that sounds good for the news, but will only make the problem worse.
Just what these young lads need, a few traumatising years in an underfunded youth detention center from which they'll come out entirely equipped for a life of crime and a deep sense of rage against society.
Actually solving the underlying issues would solve the symptom.
As usual, the Government announces some lazy measure that sounds good for the news, but will only make the problem worse.
Just what these young lads need, a few traumatising years in an underfunded youth detention center from which they'll come out entirely equipped for a life of crime and a deep sense of rage against society.
Actually solving the underlying issues would solve the symptom.
Donbot said:
Mandatory sentencing didn't work last time and likely won't work in the future.
Length of sentencing has a much smaller impact on crime reduction than the likelihood of getting caught. And the (typically) young men who they are after won't think they will get caught anyway.
We could end up doing a load of stop and search (with all the problems with discrimination that brings). But that would require loads more police.
Plus you can't ignore the discrimination aspect. I'm sure the people in favour of random stop and search wouldn't be happy to be searched by the police on a regular basis purely because of their 'demographic'.
Why not. Whatever demographic that is then stop and search them. My nan is unlikely to be carrying a knife etc.Length of sentencing has a much smaller impact on crime reduction than the likelihood of getting caught. And the (typically) young men who they are after won't think they will get caught anyway.
We could end up doing a load of stop and search (with all the problems with discrimination that brings). But that would require loads more police.
Plus you can't ignore the discrimination aspect. I'm sure the people in favour of random stop and search wouldn't be happy to be searched by the police on a regular basis purely because of their 'demographic'.
Edited by Donbot on Thursday 25th January 16:34
TX.
QJumper said:
Castrol for a knave said:
He has a good point. Sentences are only one way of tackling the problem. Their needs to be a fully worked and funded examination as to why some kids are carrying knives and what we can do to reduce this. It may be a multi-factor approach, with investment into youth programmes, accepting some uncomfortable truths and trying to break kids out of gangs and cycle of violence, funding police task forces, in terms of ground level community policing and aggressive task force policing .....
I don't know what the answer is, but sentences as a deterrent are only part of the picture and will only work on a certain section of potential offenders.
No, he has a poor point, as it's the same argument for guns.I don't know what the answer is, but sentences as a deterrent are only part of the picture and will only work on a certain section of potential offenders.
I agree that sentences are only a small part of the problem, and wont deter the worst offenders. However that's true of guns too. The fact is that too many young people appear to carry knives. Strict sentencing will substantially reduce that, leaving it just to the worst offenders. It won't cure the problem, but will reduce it.
I never said deterrent sentences are not the answer. They are, but for the longer term, there needs to be grassroots work done to find out exactly what and why. that is across agencies. But, these agencies, youth projects and such are strapped for cash. Many were victim to the austerity cuts (way to go George) and never established.
It's not handwringing, it's tackling a problem from beginning to usually tragic end.
Terminator X said:
Why not. Whatever demographic that is then stop and search them. My nan is unlikely to be carrying a knife etc.
TX.
People who aren't doing anything wrong shouldn't be stopped and searched by the police without probable cause. Though as this won't affect you, you won't care. TX.
I was searched 3 times when I was younger for no reason and that was enough to piss me off. Last time round there were the same people being searched multiple times a week!
Not going to build good police relations with the people who need it most is it.
Caught carrying a knife then straight onto a tag which can identify you as a possible stabber when out during the day and make sure they are on a curfew at night. Once those suspects who are out during the day have been stopped and searched a few times maybe they might get the message.
speedyman said:
Caught carrying a knife then straight onto a tag which can identify you as a possible stabber when out during the day and make sure they are on a curfew at night. Once those suspects who are out during the day have been stopped and searched a few times maybe they might get the message.
1. Who's paying for this police state level surveillence2. What message will they get; that the police are the enemy as much as the gang up the road that's looking for blood?
Vasco said:
Something also needs to be done about the ease of availability/supply.
I know there are plenty of opportunities to use razors, ordinary house knives etc but who is supplying all the machetes, how is their sale controlled ?
A knife is more likely to kill someone than a machete. Plus a machete is much more difficult to conceal. I know there are plenty of opportunities to use razors, ordinary house knives etc but who is supplying all the machetes, how is their sale controlled ?
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