German AfD Discus Mass Deportations
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No doubt it'll be dismissed as hyperbole but the leadership of Reform have spoken at their rallies in the past and this seems to have caused enough of a shock in Germany that they're now considering whether the AfD should be banned.
Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the far-right
Germans protest nationwide after far-right meeting on deportation plan
Tens of thousands protest in Germany against the far-right
Germans protest nationwide after far-right meeting on deportation plan
The problem with the far-right is that they are a very small, but vocal closely-knit community. They mobilise en-masse and think that everyone that doesn't critically challenge them supports them.
That's why we get people on PH talking about the silent majority, as if there's a huge groundswell of people who think the same way as them, but they're not allowed to say it loud due topolitical correctness woke cancel culture.
The reality is that most people are decent and certainly not far right, and it's good that in Germany at least, they're willing to march to show the AfD that they don't own the silent majority.
Cue, arguments about why AfD aren't far right/whatever...
That's why we get people on PH talking about the silent majority, as if there's a huge groundswell of people who think the same way as them, but they're not allowed to say it loud due to
The reality is that most people are decent and certainly not far right, and it's good that in Germany at least, they're willing to march to show the AfD that they don't own the silent majority.
Cue, arguments about why AfD aren't far right/whatever...
The mass deportation discussion is both concerning and ridiculous, however i dont belive the AFD should be banned.
Shutting down this sort of stuff just galvanises the more extreme elements and plays into the narrative/ pushes it underground.
Most people aren't far anything, and a society given space for critical debate can make pretty rational decisions (mostly).
I do belive the approach of the left and attemps to shut down critical debate on various topics (not least immigration in Germany & Merkels open door policy) over the last few decades has to some extent helped right wing groups to thrive.
Shutting down this sort of stuff just galvanises the more extreme elements and plays into the narrative/ pushes it underground.
Most people aren't far anything, and a society given space for critical debate can make pretty rational decisions (mostly).
I do belive the approach of the left and attemps to shut down critical debate on various topics (not least immigration in Germany & Merkels open door policy) over the last few decades has to some extent helped right wing groups to thrive.
tangerine_sedge said:
The problem with the far-right is that they are a very small, but vocal closely-knit community. They mobilise en-masse and think that everyone that doesn't critically challenge them supports them.
That's why we get people on PH talking about the silent majority, as if there's a huge groundswell of people who think the same way as them, but they're not allowed to say it loud due topolitical correctness woke cancel culture.
The reality is that most people are decent and certainly not far right, and it's good that in Germany at least, they're willing to march to show the AfD that they don't own the silent majority.
Cue, arguments about why AfD aren't far right/whatever...
The problem with a group of you on here is you think anything not of your far-left viewpoint must automatically be far right.That's why we get people on PH talking about the silent majority, as if there's a huge groundswell of people who think the same way as them, but they're not allowed to say it loud due to
The reality is that most people are decent and certainly not far right, and it's good that in Germany at least, they're willing to march to show the AfD that they don't own the silent majority.
Cue, arguments about why AfD aren't far right/whatever...
I asked many of you what was far right and you couldn't even define it. Wonder why.
Ban the political party that is currently polling 2nd? How very fascistic.
AfD are surging in the polls and having them declared an extremist organisation would be a nice way of making the problem go away. The problem is the bloke spouting the deportation stuff is not an AfD member, it wasnt at an AfD meeting and its not AfD policy. Its sensationalist, hyperbolic nonsense, they're going to have to find something more concrete if they want to shut them down and send the leaders to the gulags.
AfD are surging in the polls and having them declared an extremist organisation would be a nice way of making the problem go away. The problem is the bloke spouting the deportation stuff is not an AfD member, it wasnt at an AfD meeting and its not AfD policy. Its sensationalist, hyperbolic nonsense, they're going to have to find something more concrete if they want to shut them down and send the leaders to the gulags.
It's the current government putting in border controls and the plan to immediately deport, and the immediate re migration of (beginning at) 2 million they don't wish to keep.
It will make the Rwanda scheme look like a holiday camp.
For context they will allow 6,000 UN screened refugees per year under legislation agreed.
No mention of them and ECHR problems.
It will make the Rwanda scheme look like a holiday camp.
For context they will allow 6,000 UN screened refugees per year under legislation agreed.
No mention of them and ECHR problems.
gt_12345 said:
The problem with a group of you on here is you think anything not of your far-left viewpoint must automatically be far right.
I asked many of you what was far right and you couldn't even define it. Wonder why.
Do you think they’re far-right?I asked many of you what was far right and you couldn't even define it. Wonder why.
I also love how you wave around far-left whilst whining about far-right.
TonyToniTone said:
Which group have we banned that wanted to field candidates?
I said "probably want to" and I wouldn't be at all surprised if left to it groups like National Action wouldn't attempt to field candidates at some point.I drove home a few months back during a recent by-election and most nights there was a "Britain First" banner draped off a bridge for their candidate.
There are some pretty vile people and groups out there who given half a chance would try to gain a foothold.
gt_12345 said:
tangerine_sedge said:
The problem with the far-right is that they are a very small, but vocal closely-knit community. They mobilise en-masse and think that everyone that doesn't critically challenge them supports them.
That's why we get people on PH talking about the silent majority, as if there's a huge groundswell of people who think the same way as them, but they're not allowed to say it loud due topolitical correctness woke cancel culture.
The reality is that most people are decent and certainly not far right, and it's good that in Germany at least, they're willing to march to show the AfD that they don't own the silent majority.
Cue, arguments about why AfD aren't far right/whatever...
The problem with a group of you on here is you think anything not of your far-left viewpoint must automatically be far right.That's why we get people on PH talking about the silent majority, as if there's a huge groundswell of people who think the same way as them, but they're not allowed to say it loud due to
The reality is that most people are decent and certainly not far right, and it's good that in Germany at least, they're willing to march to show the AfD that they don't own the silent majority.
Cue, arguments about why AfD aren't far right/whatever...
I asked many of you what was far right and you couldn't even define it. Wonder why.
When the real far right show up, they'll slip in largely unchallenged because we're so used to all the flakes crying nazi at everything all the time. And when they get going, those same people will be prostrate and begging for something more like trump or Boris...
tangerine_sedge said:
The problem with the far-right is that they are a very small, but vocal closely-knit community. They mobilise en-masse and think that everyone that doesn't critically challenge them supports them.
That's why we get people on PH talking about the silent majority, as if there's a huge groundswell of people who think the same way as them, but they're not allowed to say it loud due topolitical correctness woke cancel culture.
The reality is that most people are decent and certainly not far right, and it's good that in Germany at least, they're willing to march to show the AfD that they don't own the silent majority.
Cue, arguments about why AfD aren't far right/whatever...
The same applies to many vocal groups.That's why we get people on PH talking about the silent majority, as if there's a huge groundswell of people who think the same way as them, but they're not allowed to say it loud due to
The reality is that most people are decent and certainly not far right, and it's good that in Germany at least, they're willing to march to show the AfD that they don't own the silent majority.
Cue, arguments about why AfD aren't far right/whatever...
T part of LGBTQ
Pro Indy people in Soctland v all those who voted for the SNP
The environmental groups XR JSO etc
They all are loud vibrant and all over the media but most could not care less and just want to pay their bills and support their family here an now
gt_12345 said:
The problem with a group of you on here is you think anything not of your far-left viewpoint must automatically be far right.
I asked many of you what was far right and you couldn't even define it. Wonder why.
If you think the posters on here are "far left" you are stunningly ignorant, and I very much doubt that you have any idea what far-left is.I asked many of you what was far right and you couldn't even define it. Wonder why.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:TonyToniTone said:
Which group have we banned that wanted to field candidates?
I said "probably want to" and I wouldn't be at all surprised if left to it groups like National Action wouldn't attempt to field candidates at some point.I drove home a few months back during a recent by-election and most nights there was a "Britain First" banner draped off a bridge for their candidate.
There are some pretty vile people and groups out there who given half a chance would try to gain a foothold.
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