Four found dead in Norwich

[shed driver]

Heartbreaking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-6804...

I would imagine that local Facebook groups are in a frenzy. I wonder how much more difficult social media makes the police's job in high profile cases like this? Thinking of the Nicola Bulley case etc.

SD.

[bitchstewie]

A tragedy and another IOPC referral over what looks like a failure to deploy officers to a 999 call at 6am by a man at the address on the morning.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/20/tr...

[Earthdweller]

bhstewie said:

A tragedy and another IOPC referral over what looks like a failure to deploy officers to a 999 call at 6am by a man at the address on the morning.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/20/tr...

“Not deployed” and “failed to deploy” are very different .. the article linked states the former

Referral to IOPC is mandatory where there has been a death following Police contact and the Force have also referred themselves to the IOPC re the earlier missing person report

You nor I know the nature of the call nor how it was graded for response/non response by the Police

Perhaps we wait and see but as usual your glee to get any chance to bash the Police prevents that

Edited by Earthdweller on Saturday 20th January 16:28

[MrBogSmith]

Not necessarily a failure. Depends what the man said on the 999 call.

[bitchstewie]

Earthdweller said:

“Not deployed” and “failed to deploy” are very different .. the article linked states the former

Referral to IOPC is mandatory where there has been a death following Police contact and the Force have also referred themselves to the IOPC re the earlier missing person report

You nor I know the nature of the call nor how it was graded for response/non response by the Police

Perhaps we wait and see but as usual your glee to get any chance to bash the Police prevents that

Edited by Earthdweller on Saturday 20th January 16:28

I didn't say failed to attend I said failure to deploy which is what the article says and what Norfolk Police themselves say and what your edited post now says.

The Police do a very difficult job.

Pointing out it's another IOPC referral (the second related to this tragic incident) isn't bashing them it's literally a statement of fact.

[Earthdweller]

bhstewie said:

Earthdweller said:

“Not deployed” and “failed to deploy” are very different .. the article linked states the former

Referral to IOPC is mandatory where there has been a death following Police contact and the Force have also referred themselves to the IOPC re the earlier missing person report

You nor I know the nature of the call nor how it was graded for response/non response by the Police

Perhaps we wait and see but as usual your glee to get any chance to bash the Police prevents that

Edited by Earthdweller on Saturday 20th January 16:28

I didn't say failed to attend I said failure to deploy which is what the article says and what Norfolk Police themselves say and what your edited post now says.

The Police do a very difficult job.

Pointing out it's another IOPC referral (the second related to this tragic incident) isn't bashing them it's literally a statement of fact.

No that’s not what Norfolk Constabulary said, they said:

“A second referral has been made to the IOPC today (20 January) following the identification of a 999 call made yesterday morning at 6am by a man at the address and police resources were not deployed.”

https://www.norfolk.police.uk/news/norfolk/news/ne...

As I said and will reaffirm .. Not deployed and failed to deploy are very different

[Random Account No6]

bhstewie said:

Pointing out it's another IOPC referral (the second related to this tragic incident) isn't bashing them it's literally a statement of fact.

Yup. Not entirely sure what ED’s point is.

[bitchstewie]

Your original post said something about failed to attend - I didn't use the word attend neither did the Police.

You edited your post to remove the word attend.

Fair point the word failure could make it sound like they should have deployed when we don't know whether they should or not.

We only know that they didn't.

[bitchstewie]

Random Account No6 said:

Yup. Not entirely sure what ED’s point is.

It doesn't seem to matter how many times you praise them for running towards danger on a daily basis when other people (including me) would be running away but if you point out anything that may sound negative apparently that's bashing them.

Seems a bit overly defensive if you ask me but there you go.

[Earthdweller]

Random Account No6 said:

bhstewie said:

Pointing out it's another IOPC referral (the second related to this tragic incident) isn't bashing them it's literally a statement of fact.

Yup. Not entirely sure what ED’s point is.

Words matter, context matters

BS stated the Police failed to deploy and linked to an article that didn’t say that

When pointed out the difference between someone not doing something and failing to do something BS doubled down by saying the Police said they failed to deploy … they didn’t

BS is projecting wrong doing which may be the case or may not be, but no one has used the words he has chosen to say they did

None of us know whether Norfolk Police acted correctly or not but accusing them of failure seems premature

[bitchstewie]

Guess the BBC are bashing the Police too then given this is their main headline.

[IanH755]

A 999 call was made and the Police didn't show up - Argue about the language all you want, not showing up after a 999 call doesn't look good and it'll be interesting to read what reason is presented for not showing up because there are only a few valid ones I can think for it happening.

[Earthdweller]

bhstewie said:

Guess the BBC are bashing the Police too then given this is their main headline.

Let’s face it, like you they have a long history of it

[Yahonza]

You have to wonder what their more pressing priorities were.

[zarjaz1991]

Yahonza said:

You have to wonder what their more pressing priorities were.

Well we don’t know what that 999 call said at this stage.

[Greendubber]

bhstewie said:

Guess the BBC are bashing the Police too then given this is their main headline.

Of course they are, it's what they do.

[J4CKO]

Jesus, Enid Blytons work just took a dark turn I thought when I read that thread title, looked the story up and that’s properly grim, so sad.

[phil1979]

J4CKO said:

Jesus, Enid Blytons work just took a dark turn I thought when I read that thread title

Shouldn't snigger..

[MrBogSmith]

IanH755 said:

A 999 call was made and the Police didn't show up - Argue about the language all you want, not showing up after a 999 call doesn't look good and it'll be interesting to read what reason is presented for not showing up because there are only a few valid ones I can think for it happening.

There any many reasons. People misuse the 999 system all the time.

There are also many possibilities that something that didn’t require immediate attention was reported on the 999 system.

Either way, it’s all recorded so we’ll likely find out.

[Earthdweller]

MrBogSmith said:

IanH755 said:

A 999 call was made and the Police didn't show up - Argue about the language all you want, not showing up after a 999 call doesn't look good and it'll be interesting to read what reason is presented for not showing up because there are only a few valid ones I can think for it happening.

There any many reasons. People misuse the 999 system all the time.

There are also many possibilities that something that didn’t require immediate attention was reported on the 999 system.

Either way, it’s all recorded so we’ll likely find out.

It might come as a surprise to IanH that the Police don’t attend the majority of 999 calls they receive and of the ones that they do attend only a small number are treated as immediate/urgent response

And it really really isn’t because they just can’t be bothered but because there are a myriad of reasons why they don’t