Pot holes hit a five year high
Discussion
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-679...
Suspect it's more than a 5 year high!
I'm all for technology to improve the situation, but right now it feels like the (broke) councils need to employ some proper teams rather than just getting in a contractor each time...
Suspect it's more than a 5 year high!
I'm all for technology to improve the situation, but right now it feels like the (broke) councils need to employ some proper teams rather than just getting in a contractor each time...
The biggest problem with potholes and repairing them is that a lot of carriageways are so far gone that making a good permanent repair is almost impossible.
The ideal is to cut it out square, tack it, fill it and joint seal it but if you've nothing good to cut into you can't do that which is why a lot of repairs are made by overlaying as that's all you can reasonably do.
The ideal is to cut it out square, tack it, fill it and joint seal it but if you've nothing good to cut into you can't do that which is why a lot of repairs are made by overlaying as that's all you can reasonably do.
bobbo89 said:
The biggest problem with potholes and repairing them is that a lot of carriageways are so far gone that making a good permanent repair is almost impossible.
They've resorted to waiting here for the road to basically be undrivable and then they close it for 2 days to patch whole 50m sections in one hit.Can't decide if that's a better option or not.
BrettMRC said:
rather than just getting in a contractor each time...
It's worse than that.I suspect this is how it works.
1) Put out a tender for pothole fixing.
2) Receive quote from
A: £5 (not actually possible),
B: £7 (cost for a short term fix),
C: £15 (cost to do a good job).
3) Pick A.
4) A fixes work but says it takes longer and it costs £8 but does the £5 job still.
5) 5 minutes later, pothole needs fixing again, another £8.
6) Receive another pothole report.
7) Goto 4.
Yet more crumbling infrastructure in this country - quite literally crumbling.
Interestingly not far from me, the TfL-run roads are far better than the local council ones. I say interesting as TfL come in for some bad press from PH.
But we can still afford lavish pensions for retirees and vast sums to be paid in interest to service the national debt.
Interestingly not far from me, the TfL-run roads are far better than the local council ones. I say interesting as TfL come in for some bad press from PH.
But we can still afford lavish pensions for retirees and vast sums to be paid in interest to service the national debt.
Anyone know if the roadbuilding standard is that different in say Germany to the UK and if there is a substantial difference in each road mile?
One thing I hate are utility companies and the lack of policing of their repair work. They dig up, make a shoddy repair and a month later the repair is uneven or broken. Shirley Councils should be able to ban utility companies and their contractors from digging up roads if they have a backlog of poor repairs. Of course this will drive up costs, but the utility customers should ultimately pay.
One thing I hate are utility companies and the lack of policing of their repair work. They dig up, make a shoddy repair and a month later the repair is uneven or broken. Shirley Councils should be able to ban utility companies and their contractors from digging up roads if they have a backlog of poor repairs. Of course this will drive up costs, but the utility customers should ultimately pay.
bobbo89 said:
The biggest problem with potholes and repairing them is that a lot of carriageways are so far gone that making a good permanent repair is almost impossible.
The ideal is to cut it out square, tack it, fill it and joint seal it but if you've nothing good to cut into you can't do that which is why a lot of repairs are made by overlaying as that's all you can reasonably do.
That's how it is around my way in south oxon, it needs entire road closures and wide spread replacement of carriageway.The ideal is to cut it out square, tack it, fill it and joint seal it but if you've nothing good to cut into you can't do that which is why a lot of repairs are made by overlaying as that's all you can reasonably do.
Instead we get them surface dressed every 3/4 years and I'll need another windscreen 😂 It's mostly the reason I happily run a cheap shed to work and back. Don't have to care about potholes then...
Hoofy said:
BrettMRC said:
rather than just getting in a contractor each time...
It's worse than that.I suspect this is how it works.
1) Put out a tender for pothole fixing.
2) Receive quote from
A: £5 (not actually possible),
B: £7 (cost for a short term fix),
C: £15 (cost to do a good job).
3) Pick A.
4) A fixes work but says it takes longer and it costs £8 but does the £5 job still.
5) 5 minutes later, pothole needs fixing again, another £8.
6) Receive another pothole report.
7) Goto 4.
vikingaero said:
Anyone know if the roadbuilding standard is that different in say Germany to the UK and if there is a substantial difference in each road mile?
One thing I hate are utility companies and the lack of policing of their repair work. They dig up, make a shoddy repair and a month later the repair is uneven or broken. Shirley Councils should be able to ban utility companies and their contractors from digging up roads if they have a backlog of poor repairs. Of course this will drive up costs, but the utility customers should ultimately pay.
They should set a minimum size rectangle that has to be carried out for holes dug. The rectangle must be cut, laid and edges sealed with bitumen to a minimum standard. It wouldn’t be difficult to prescribe this.One thing I hate are utility companies and the lack of policing of their repair work. They dig up, make a shoddy repair and a month later the repair is uneven or broken. Shirley Councils should be able to ban utility companies and their contractors from digging up roads if they have a backlog of poor repairs. Of course this will drive up costs, but the utility customers should ultimately pay.
Living in a rural area we get zero road maintenance unless it's reached 100mm in depth!
There have been three lots of serious flooding in 2 months, so what was bad is now awful - some stretches on this lane are actually down to the hard core layer now.
Depending on which car I want to drive dictates if I go left of right out of the drive
There have been three lots of serious flooding in 2 months, so what was bad is now awful - some stretches on this lane are actually down to the hard core layer now.
Depending on which car I want to drive dictates if I go left of right out of the drive
Biggy Stardust said:
You all misunderstand- this problem has happened pretty much overnight; it's not as if there's been many years of lack of maintenance due to spending the money on vanity projects & self-indulgence by the various councils.
This has been building for many years, if not decades, due to the inadequate amount of road resurfacing. The average road surface will go 116 years between resurfacing, though this is shorter on major routes. The surface will only last a fraction of that, hence potholes.
ked and we can't afford to repair all your cars".*
Notwithstanding the poor standard of repair work that we're all seeing, I think it gets to the point that the road network is so uneven and patched up that even good repairs have little chance of lasting, the roads need resurfacing properly and then be better maintained from there, we're not going to patch up our way out of this.
I also find that the biggest "pot holes" are sunken drains and inspection covers, they need to start planing the roads and relaying with the latest high performance surfaces.
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