Japanese plane passengers - doing as they’re told
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Please don’t say that there’s another thread running - there is but it’s over in some spotters forum and will be going on about “pax” and how much jargon they can get in.
Watching footage from onboard the burning airliner that is filling with smoke I was struck by the fact that the passengers, though clearly scared, were doing what they were told - being orderly, in seats with heads down low. Everyone got off the plane.
I wonder just what would the footage be showing if that was a plane on fire on the runway at Manchester airport.
Watching footage from onboard the burning airliner that is filling with smoke I was struck by the fact that the passengers, though clearly scared, were doing what they were told - being orderly, in seats with heads down low. Everyone got off the plane.
I wonder just what would the footage be showing if that was a plane on fire on the runway at Manchester airport.
Dog Star said:
Please don’t say that there’s another thread running - there is but it’s over in some spotters forum and will be going on about “pax” and how much jargon they can get in.
Watching footage from onboard the burning airliner that is filling with smoke I was struck by the fact that the passengers, though clearly scared, were doing what they were told - being orderly, in seats with heads down low. Everyone got off the plane.
I wonder just what would the footage be showing if that was a plane on fire on the runway at Manchester airport.
Japanese culture built upon and within regulation and respect. Watching footage from onboard the burning airliner that is filling with smoke I was struck by the fact that the passengers, though clearly scared, were doing what they were told - being orderly, in seats with heads down low. Everyone got off the plane.
I wonder just what would the footage be showing if that was a plane on fire on the runway at Manchester airport.
There is not 'a' Japanese culture, any more than you would not, of course, react in the same way as a Mancunian despite being from the same country. Or, at least, that's what you tell yourself.
You never know how you react until you are in such a situation. Also, my experience is that your by no means react the same way each time.
You never know how you react until you are in such a situation. Also, my experience is that your by no means react the same way each time.
I know this sounds silly but I wonder if the passengers knew the severity of this incident enough?
Yes, smoke inside the cabin, but outside looked to be far worse.
However yes, I do hear you around this and what it would had been like in the UK, you'd have had far too many lizard brains worried about not being able to post there pics on Facebook ever again let alone get off the plane.
Yes, smoke inside the cabin, but outside looked to be far worse.
However yes, I do hear you around this and what it would had been like in the UK, you'd have had far too many lizard brains worried about not being able to post there pics on Facebook ever again let alone get off the plane.
I read something somewhere many years ago that was describing the evacuation tests that they do on planes before they are certified. It essentially described how they paid people to take part and gave the first 20 or so people more money to get off first (in order to simulate the panic of people pushing each other out of the way as might happen in a real emergency situation).
I seem to remember that what it described was that if you want to guarantee the money and get off first then the two things they learned from performing these tests over the years were:
It was somewhat sobering but it has meant that since then, every time I board a plane, the only piece of safety I care about is how many rows I need to climb over to get out !!
I seem to remember that what it described was that if you want to guarantee the money and get off first then the two things they learned from performing these tests over the years were:
- a) Know exactly how many rows forward and/or backwards you need to go to get to the emergency exit (as it will likely be dark and smoke filled)
- b) don't bother with the aisle and the in floor lights as you'll never make it going down the aisle.
It was somewhat sobering but it has meant that since then, every time I board a plane, the only piece of safety I care about is how many rows I need to climb over to get out !!
Derek Smith said:
There is not 'a' Japanese culture, any more than you would not, of course, react in the same way as a Mancunian despite being from the same country. Or, at least, that's what you tell yourself.
You never know how you react until you are in such a situation. Also, my experience is that your by no means react the same way each time.
I'm not so sure - just look at how their fans stay behind to clear up the stadiums after WC football matches You never know how you react until you are in such a situation. Also, my experience is that your by no means react the same way each time.
Hofstede would help here. Compare UK, US and Japanese cultures and you see a clear difference in Uncertainty Avoidance (obvious, considering their risk of natural disasters, not least because one had just literally happened, and may even be a partial contribution to the crash), long term orientation and motivation.
https://www.hofstede-insights.com/country-comparis...
https://www.hofstede-insights.com/country-comparis...
fat80b said:
I read something somewhere many years ago that was describing the evacuation tests that they do on planes before they are certified. It essentially described how they paid people to take part and gave the first 20 or so people more money to get off first (in order to simulate the panic of people pushing each other out of the way as might happen in a real emergency situation).
I seem to remember that what it described was that if you want to guarantee the money and get off first then the two things they learned from performing these tests over the years were:
It was somewhat sobering but it has meant that since then, every time I board a plane, the only piece of safety I care about is how many rows I need to climb over to get out !!
Or you could just pay extra to sit in an exit aisle. I do and luxuriate in the extra leg room.I seem to remember that what it described was that if you want to guarantee the money and get off first then the two things they learned from performing these tests over the years were:
- a) Know exactly how many rows forward and/or backwards you need to go to get to the emergency exit (as it will likely be dark and smoke filled)
- b) don't bother with the aisle and the in floor lights as you'll never make it going down the aisle.
It was somewhat sobering but it has meant that since then, every time I board a plane, the only piece of safety I care about is how many rows I need to climb over to get out !!
Calmness breeds calmness same as panic leads to more panic.
People tend to follow the herd and will react to authorative instructions.
If you hear a calm, non-panicy but stern instruction and everyone around you is complying you tend to realise that this is your best chance. If you hear panic and other passengers are screaming and running up and down the aisles it's more likely it will end up like Lord of the Flies and survival of the fittest as you scrabble for the exit.
People tend to follow the herd and will react to authorative instructions.
If you hear a calm, non-panicy but stern instruction and everyone around you is complying you tend to realise that this is your best chance. If you hear panic and other passengers are screaming and running up and down the aisles it's more likely it will end up like Lord of the Flies and survival of the fittest as you scrabble for the exit.
Seasonal Hero said:
People trying to kill each other with Greggs sausage rolls cushioned only by sportswear
Bang on for a Ryanair flight, but if it was a BA flight I'd envisage overdressed t
ts trying to drag their grossly outsized hand luggage with them at a snails pace and arguing with the cabin crew about removing pointy shoes while everyone else mumbles discontentedly and suffocatesDerek Smith said:
There is not 'a' Japanese culture, any more than you would not, of course, react in the same way as a Mancunian despite being from the same country. Or, at least, that's what you tell yourself.
You never know how you react until you are in such a situation. Also, my experience is that your by no means react the same way each time.
I have to disagree that there is a Japanese culture and there is a British culture. There are cultural phenomena common to all the people even when they are as diverse as the UK. You never know how you react until you are in such a situation. Also, my experience is that your by no means react the same way each time.
However in this case, I'd say the Japanese have a very admirable trait in that they don't panic easily.
We know how badly US and British people act in such situations, BA 2276. Just look at the people who stopped to get their bags.
If that plane went up as fast as the one in Tokyo, there would be far more fatalities.
captain_cynic said:
I have to disagree that there is a Japanese culture and there is a British culture. There are cultural phenomena common to all the people even when they are as diverse as the UK.
However in this case, I'd say the Japanese have a very admirable trait in that they don't panic easily.
We know how badly US and British people act in such situations, BA 2276. Just look at the people who stopped to get their bags.
If that plane went up as fast as the one in Tokyo, there would be far more fatalities.
Another good reference point is the Aeroflot Sukhoi fire from a few years ago. I'd bet that more bags were taken off that plane (where only 30ish survived) than on this JAL flight, despite the aircraft being already on fire during landingHowever in this case, I'd say the Japanese have a very admirable trait in that they don't panic easily.
We know how badly US and British people act in such situations, BA 2276. Just look at the people who stopped to get their bags.
If that plane went up as fast as the one in Tokyo, there would be far more fatalities.
When I read the news I was staggered everybody made it off. Sterling performance by both crew and passengers. As mentioned already, I really can’t see it being so smooth in the UK, we’re all too selfish and would be trying to grab our bags or fighting one another to try and get off first.
I have always wondered though… How much of a saga it would be if this happened to me in a foreign country and my passport got toasted. Do you just go to the embassy and get some sort of paperwork?
I have always wondered though… How much of a saga it would be if this happened to me in a foreign country and my passport got toasted. Do you just go to the embassy and get some sort of paperwork?
ooo000ooo said:
Wonder why they never introduced overhead lockers that lock at important bits of a flight i.e. during takeoff/landing or if someone hits the "oh st we're all going to die" button?
Weight.t we're all going to die" button?Adding a few KG equals of extra tonnes of fuel burnt per year.
Also you'd end up with people trying to open them anyway.
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