Political Correctness at Christmas? Fairytale of New York

Political Correctness at Christmas? Fairytale of New York

Poll: Political Correctness at Christmas? Fairytale of New York

Total Members Polled: 293

It was appropriate to change the lyrics: 17%
It was not appropriate to change the lyrics: 83%
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turbobloke

Original Poster:

107,831 posts

267 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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music

Rusty Old-Banger

4,938 posts

220 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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Lazy thread. Any details? What lyrics have been changed? And where, just radio edits, or across all versions on Spotify etc?

Lotobear

7,164 posts

135 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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..'cheap lousy faggot' has been changed to something like 'you're drunk and you're haggard'.

...I'd not even realised faggot is a derogatory term, always thought it was a slightly dodgy looking meat product wrapped in some odd looking skin eaten by folk up north.

Blue62

9,384 posts

159 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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A discuss ion on this vital issue is long overdue, good on TB for offering up a release valve for all that pent up anti-wokism. I believe we’re having gammon with our turkey, I’ll raise a glass. Merry Xmas all.

Louis Balfour

27,702 posts

229 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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I was speaking to an old chap about censorship yesterday. He was saying it is sad that some comedy from the past few decades is no longer aired lest it offends someone.

I agree with him, both in the context of comedy and FoNY.

Would I call anyone a "cheap lousy faggot"? No. Not today and never would have. Do I believe that anyone, anywhere, would be horribly offended by that line in a song released thirty-five years ago? Not in their own right, no. I think it is the vicariously offended who have a problem with it.

JuanCarlosFandango

8,305 posts

78 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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Has someone voted for me?


I find the whole song a bore censored or not. Yes, you're drunk and cynical. Very good. Now f off.

Louis Balfour

27,702 posts

229 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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JuanCarlosFandango said:
Has someone voted for me?


I find the whole song a bore censored or not. Yes, you're drunk and cynical. Very good. Now f off.
Merry Christmas Mr Fandango.

8.4L 154

5,572 posts

260 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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So close, only 4 days until Christmas and I'd not seen the annual FofNY, is faggot offensive anti woke discord.

soupdragon1

4,623 posts

104 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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Rusty Old-Banger said:
Lazy thread. Any details? What lyrics have been changed? And where, just radio edits, or across all versions on Spotify etc?
Thats the question. Songs have been altered lots of times for pre watershed playing etc....depends if this is a complete ban across all platforms

Removing faggot (which means a bundle of sticks but obviously has slang meaning) is no different than removing other sensitive words. No big deal removing it from some radio etc, but a wholesale ban is a different conversation.

Rusty Old-Banger

4,938 posts

220 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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Yet "Oliver's Army" by Elvis Costello has a far, FAR more offensive term in it, and I can't remember ever hearing any uproar about that, nor have I ever heard it edited out. I can't ever remember hearing it on the radio, but still, it's on various "Hits of the 80's" type compilations.

Louis Balfour

27,702 posts

229 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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Rusty Old-Banger said:
Yet "Oliver's Army" by Elvis Costello has a far, FAR more offensive term in it, and I can't remember ever hearing any uproar about that, nor have I ever heard it edited out. I can't ever remember hearing it on the radio, but still, it's on various "Hits of the 80's" type compilations.
You mean white ******? Probably because the hand-wringing wokerati have decided it's okay because it refers principally to white people.


ZedLeg

12,278 posts

115 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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President Merkin

4,297 posts

26 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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Louis Balfour said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
Yet "Oliver's Army" by Elvis Costello has a far, FAR more offensive term in it, and I can't remember ever hearing any uproar about that, nor have I ever heard it edited out. I can't ever remember hearing it on the radio, but still, it's on various "Hits of the 80's" type compilations.
You mean white ******? Probably because the hand-wringing wokerati have decided it's okay because it refers principally to white people.
Lol. Someone should tell the guy who wrote it then.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-5995...


chrispmartha

16,838 posts

136 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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Kirsty MaColl first changed the Lyrics in 1992

Good to see TB with his up-to-date hot takes.

chrispmartha

16,838 posts

136 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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Perfect

Louis Balfour

27,702 posts

229 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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President Merkin said:
Louis Balfour said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
Yet "Oliver's Army" by Elvis Costello has a far, FAR more offensive term in it, and I can't remember ever hearing any uproar about that, nor have I ever heard it edited out. I can't ever remember hearing it on the radio, but still, it's on various "Hits of the 80's" type compilations.
You mean white ******? Probably because the hand-wringing wokerati have decided it's okay because it refers principally to white people.
Lol. Someone should tell the guy who wrote it then.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-5995...

You do know what colour skin the Irish Catholics had do you?


ChevronB19

6,386 posts

170 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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President Merkin said:
Louis Balfour said:
Rusty Old-Banger said:
Yet "Oliver's Army" by Elvis Costello has a far, FAR more offensive term in it, and I can't remember ever hearing any uproar about that, nor have I ever heard it edited out. I can't ever remember hearing it on the radio, but still, it's on various "Hits of the 80's" type compilations.
You mean white ******? Probably because the hand-wringing wokerati have decided it's okay because it refers principally to white people.
Lol. Someone should tell the guy who wrote it then.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-5995...

Yup (from wiki)

In March 2013, the radio station BBC Radio 6 Music played the song with the phrase removed, despite BBC radio stations having played the song uncensored for over 30 years.[nb 2] This decision attracted public criticism, with critics citing the intended anti-racist and anti-war theme of the single.[4][10][11][12] In January 2022, Costello said that he would no longer be performing the song and asked that radio stations no longer play it.[13] In an interview on Australian radio around the same time, Costello clarified he did not specifically ask radio stations to stop playing the song, but he did state that the way some radio stations edited or bleeped the phrase called attention to the phrase without engaging the context in which it was written.[14]

In terms of Fairytale of New York, The Pogues' official Twitter account responded to Laurence Fox's call to get the original to the top of the charts and "#DefundTheBBC" with, "fk off you little herrenvolk ste".

So (Louis etc) maybe consider what the writer wants?

President Merkin

4,297 posts

26 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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Louis Balfour said:
You do know what colour skin the Irish Catholics had do you?
Yes Louis, I'm the son of one.

I live in hope that one day you'll come along without some ste take on something. Yet again, today isn't that day.

F1GTRUeno

6,512 posts

225 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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I wonder if they had the N word in it or something like that would the current majority of people who voted 'it's inappropriate' still think that way?

As for the absolute bks that is 'I just thought it was a meat product', feck off.

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

115 months

Thursday 21st December 2023
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As a white lgbtqi+ person who was raised catholic, I'm not sure what I should be most offended by here.