Esther Rantzen joins Dignitas
Discussion
Must admit, i find it somewhat of a relief for those that do, but i just dont see why any family that join them in Switzerland can be prosecuted under existing laws.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67756506
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67756506
JagLover said:
Time to abandon all the outdated restrictions based on religious dogma. We treat our pets better than we do ourselves.
If it is time to go, and you are in a lot of pain on the way out, you should be able to die with dignity.
Here here. Well overdue some proper grown up debate about legal euthanasia. If it is time to go, and you are in a lot of pain on the way out, you should be able to die with dignity.
Madness that in this country we're free to live life as we please, to include abusing our bodies with alcohol and junk food and the NHS will spend millions keeping folk alive way past the point that they have any real quality of life but we don't have the right to call time and have a dignified exit on our own terms.
It terrifies me that I might have to endure a slow and painful death or attempt to see myself off on my own which might go badly wrong and cause untold trauma to those left behind.
Yes there are some pretty big legal safeguards and practicalities to address but the swiss have been at this for years so surely the main risks are pretty well aired.
Very brave decision by her and I wish her all the best.
MBVitoria said:
Here here. Well overdue some proper grown up debate about legal euthanasia.
Madness that in this country we're free to live life as we please, to include abusing our bodies with alcohol and junk food and the NHS will spend millions keeping folk alive way past the point that they have any real quality of life but we don't have the right to call time and have a dignified exit on our own terms.
It terrifies me that I might have to endure a slow and painful death or attempt to see myself off on my own which might go badly wrong and cause untold trauma to those left behind.
Yes there are some pretty big legal safeguards and practicalities to address but the swiss have been at this for years so surely the main risks are pretty well aired.
Very brave decision by her and I wish her all the best.
you know she is going to die right?Madness that in this country we're free to live life as we please, to include abusing our bodies with alcohol and junk food and the NHS will spend millions keeping folk alive way past the point that they have any real quality of life but we don't have the right to call time and have a dignified exit on our own terms.
It terrifies me that I might have to endure a slow and painful death or attempt to see myself off on my own which might go badly wrong and cause untold trauma to those left behind.
Yes there are some pretty big legal safeguards and practicalities to address but the swiss have been at this for years so surely the main risks are pretty well aired.
Very brave decision by her and I wish her all the best.
but yes, you'd think gubberments would encourage euthanasia if only because it would save them a lot of money in care home fees etc.
I think everybody at the age of 65 should be asked the question as to whether they'd want to be euthanised and to provide some parameters around that, e.g min age, terminal illness, mobility or cognitive issues. And then the decision can be made in conjunction with loved ones, if still congniscent, or by loved ones if not. Maybe it cold be part of a will.
That's not to say you will automatically be bumped off, just that you can be if the criteria are met.
I share the sentiments of most on this thread; as a society, we cherish the principle of freedom of choice in one's life. Until it comes to perhaps the biggest choice of all: how we wish to end it. As already said, we treat our pets better, in that regard, than our loved ones. We demand that a person suffers pain, indignity and misery when they should be free to avoid all of that.
Yes of course there would have to be safeguards, and it's not a simple issue. It is, however, an issue that we need to confront. The current situation where someone in Esther Rantzen's position has to pay £10,000 plus to have this procedure in Switzerland when they should be able to have it done here is, in my opinion, absurd.
Yes of course there would have to be safeguards, and it's not a simple issue. It is, however, an issue that we need to confront. The current situation where someone in Esther Rantzen's position has to pay £10,000 plus to have this procedure in Switzerland when they should be able to have it done here is, in my opinion, absurd.
I never liked her much on the telly, but she is bang on with this.
If you are dying, you should be able to choose to go with dignity and as little pain or fear of what is to come as possible.
If a stray dog were treated the way some terminally Ill old people are by the medical profession, they would be had up for animal cruelty.
If you are dying, you should be able to choose to go with dignity and as little pain or fear of what is to come as possible.
If a stray dog were treated the way some terminally Ill old people are by the medical profession, they would be had up for animal cruelty.
ClaphamGT3 said:
I suspect that, for everyone who uses the services of Dignitas, there are dozens - perhaps hundreds - who achieve exactly the same at home.
How is that, my understanding that attempting an overdose can be very painful and the person may endure hours if not days of suffering before they die. Plus it may not be sucessful
TameRacingDriver said:
Gove: "Not yet persuaded of the case for assisted dying"
Another crusty old dinosaur MP.
It would appear to be wilful ignorance to anyone with greater than a below average IQ as to the case for assisted dying.
But hey, you'll debate it, and throw it out again, like you always do.
I heard that too, I’m at a loss to understand the argument against allowing people to go with dignity, as she said she’s not afraid of death but she’s afraid of dying. I see a link with abortion but also get that there are potential issues around how and when we choose the moment, but surely we can come up with a sensible solution? Another crusty old dinosaur MP.
It would appear to be wilful ignorance to anyone with greater than a below average IQ as to the case for assisted dying.
But hey, you'll debate it, and throw it out again, like you always do.
I’m an atheist but respect others who have a faith, but so many aspects of religion are cruel and this, in my view, is another one.
Having witnessed my nans last year of her life being utterly confused with dementia then locking herself out of her flat in winter lucky the care team got to her quick enough. Then spending Christmas 2019 in a hospital ready for 2020 only to then go to a care home just before lockdown.
Being in a building she didn't know around people she didn't know when we weren't allowed too see her. The last few months spent not leaving her room refusing to eat or drink watching my nan that as a child myself seen a proud women become like this was the worst thing I have ever had to see, it will scar me for life.
She died alone in a care home without any of us being able to say our good byes properly during the 2nd lockdown in Wales.
If we treated our pets like this we be charged with animal cruelty yet we can't have a grown up public debate about this for humans.
It's utterly sick that our representivies still will not bring this up for debate.
I myself want to be able to chose at what point to end my own life I for myself and also future family would never want them or me to go through what we had to with my nan.
Being in a building she didn't know around people she didn't know when we weren't allowed too see her. The last few months spent not leaving her room refusing to eat or drink watching my nan that as a child myself seen a proud women become like this was the worst thing I have ever had to see, it will scar me for life.
She died alone in a care home without any of us being able to say our good byes properly during the 2nd lockdown in Wales.
If we treated our pets like this we be charged with animal cruelty yet we can't have a grown up public debate about this for humans.
It's utterly sick that our representivies still will not bring this up for debate.
I myself want to be able to chose at what point to end my own life I for myself and also future family would never want them or me to go through what we had to with my nan.
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