What Will Starmer & Ang Do About Small Boats?
Discussion
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/p...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66804798
Summary:-
Scrap the Rwanda deal and use the funds to target those operating the small boats.
Increase speed of processing, set up asylum courts to deal with appeals and a returns unit so some who fail might actually get sent back.
Target overseas aid and policy to try to improve the situation in the home countries of many asylum seekers to reduce the numbers wanting to leave.
New deal with the EU which would ease returns to EU countries, potentially in return for taking a percentage of asylum seekers from the EU. Would also include regaining access to the Europol shared intelligence databases.
Most of this seems fairly sensible, my only concern is the EU agreement - if we start taking an equal share of applicants across the EU, it could mean an increase in numbers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66804798
Summary:-
Scrap the Rwanda deal and use the funds to target those operating the small boats.
Increase speed of processing, set up asylum courts to deal with appeals and a returns unit so some who fail might actually get sent back.
Target overseas aid and policy to try to improve the situation in the home countries of many asylum seekers to reduce the numbers wanting to leave.
New deal with the EU which would ease returns to EU countries, potentially in return for taking a percentage of asylum seekers from the EU. Would also include regaining access to the Europol shared intelligence databases.
Most of this seems fairly sensible, my only concern is the EU agreement - if we start taking an equal share of applicants across the EU, it could mean an increase in numbers.
The answer is do nothing. Judging by comments on the thread on here and in Westminster about small boats, everything any one does is racist and it shouldn't be allowed. They should all be welcomed and funded, housed etc. no questions asked. We should also give up our passports as they are no longer needed it seems.
Wonder who these tour operators/smuggling gangs are? I might have a go as they seem invisible and buying a dinghy for someone then charging them 3 grand a pop for it sounds like a great business model or like all good things, it may not be true?
Wonder who these tour operators/smuggling gangs are? I might have a go as they seem invisible and buying a dinghy for someone then charging them 3 grand a pop for it sounds like a great business model or like all good things, it may not be true?
As above
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-676894...
“ Starmer says he would repeal Rwanda bill if he becomes PM
Keir Starmer has just been speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, where he has confirmed he would repeal the Rwanda bill if it becomes law and Labour win the next election.
He describes the policy as a "very expensive gimmick" and says he would rather use the money to "put more resource into a police unit that could work across borders" to prevent small boat arrivals in the first place.
Starmer says instead of flying around 100 people to Rwanda to claim asylum, where the UK would also be paying their upkeep, the government should spend £290m on better enforcement and bolstering security agreements with other countries to "break the gangs" bringing people to the UK.
"We have done this with terrorist gangs, I do not accept the proposition that this is too difficult. The boats currently being used are bigger than they're used to be.
"They're being made effectively to order, they're being stored in warehouses and then brought to the coast."
He adds that "this is not rocket science" and the government can do something about it "if we focus on practical solutions".”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-676894...
“ Starmer says he would repeal Rwanda bill if he becomes PM
Keir Starmer has just been speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, where he has confirmed he would repeal the Rwanda bill if it becomes law and Labour win the next election.
He describes the policy as a "very expensive gimmick" and says he would rather use the money to "put more resource into a police unit that could work across borders" to prevent small boat arrivals in the first place.
Starmer says instead of flying around 100 people to Rwanda to claim asylum, where the UK would also be paying their upkeep, the government should spend £290m on better enforcement and bolstering security agreements with other countries to "break the gangs" bringing people to the UK.
"We have done this with terrorist gangs, I do not accept the proposition that this is too difficult. The boats currently being used are bigger than they're used to be.
"They're being made effectively to order, they're being stored in warehouses and then brought to the coast."
He adds that "this is not rocket science" and the government can do something about it "if we focus on practical solutions".”
biggbn said:
Are people really worrying about what the opposition might do rather than what the government are doing?
Yes. Not only are they likely to be in office after the next general election, they should be providing checks and ballance to the current government. If they / we don't agree with what is currently being done, the opposition should be providing alternatives.rscott said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/p...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66804798
Summary:-
Scrap the Rwanda deal and use the funds to target those operating the small boats.
Increase speed of processing, set up asylum courts to deal with appeals and a returns unit so some who fail might actually get sent back.
Target overseas aid and policy to try to improve the situation in the home countries of many asylum seekers to reduce the numbers wanting to leave.
New deal with the EU which would ease returns to EU countries, potentially in return for taking a percentage of asylum seekers from the EU. Would also include regaining access to the Europol shared intelligence databases.
Most of this seems fairly sensible, my only concern is the EU agreement - if we start taking an equal share of applicants across the EU, it could mean an increase in numbers.
If it’s legal and controlled, why does a small increase in numbers matter?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66804798
Summary:-
Scrap the Rwanda deal and use the funds to target those operating the small boats.
Increase speed of processing, set up asylum courts to deal with appeals and a returns unit so some who fail might actually get sent back.
Target overseas aid and policy to try to improve the situation in the home countries of many asylum seekers to reduce the numbers wanting to leave.
New deal with the EU which would ease returns to EU countries, potentially in return for taking a percentage of asylum seekers from the EU. Would also include regaining access to the Europol shared intelligence databases.
Most of this seems fairly sensible, my only concern is the EU agreement - if we start taking an equal share of applicants across the EU, it could mean an increase in numbers.
Who the f
king fk cares about small boats? I don't know if anybody else has noticed but the country is absolutely falling apart almost everywhere you look.
The economy, the NHS, the emergency services, education, the roads, water, gas security/storage, rail, the list goes on and on. Small boats wouldn't even make my top 100 items to sort urgently.
king fk cares about small boats? I don't know if anybody else has noticed but the country is absolutely falling apart almost everywhere you look. The economy, the NHS, the emergency services, education, the roads, water, gas security/storage, rail, the list goes on and on. Small boats wouldn't even make my top 100 items to sort urgently.
Tom8 said:
The answer is do nothing. Judging by comments on the thread on here and in Westminster about small boats, everything any one does is racist and it shouldn't be allowed. They should all be welcomed and funded, housed etc. no questions asked. We should also give up our passports as they are no longer needed it seems.
Wonder who these tour operators/smuggling gangs are? I might have a go as they seem invisible and buying a dinghy for someone then charging them 3 grand a pop for it sounds like a great business model or like all good things, it may not be true?
I suspect that the smuggling gangs thing is a myth pushed by the conservatives, the current lot love a conspiracy. Wonder who these tour operators/smuggling gangs are? I might have a go as they seem invisible and buying a dinghy for someone then charging them 3 grand a pop for it sounds like a great business model or like all good things, it may not be true?
Pretty sure pretty much anyone can buy a boat in france if they have the money to pay for one, engines are easy, tow and car might be a bit harder but still possible. People buying/selling boats for profit does not a gang make.
In fact what exactly is illegal about selling a boat people that have the cash? Are you suggesting that boat owners in france have a care of duty to the UK border force?
As for the rest of your wibble, no one has suggested any of the tosh you have written but feel free to keep repeating it in your head.
rscott said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/p...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66804798
Summary:-
Scrap the Rwanda deal and use the funds to target those operating the small boats.
Increase speed of processing, set up asylum courts to deal with appeals and a returns unit so some who fail might actually get sent back.
Target overseas aid and policy to try to improve the situation in the home countries of many asylum seekers to reduce the numbers wanting to leave.
New deal with the EU which would ease returns to EU countries, potentially in return for taking a percentage of asylum seekers from the EU. Would also include regaining access to the Europol shared intelligence databases.
Most of this seems fairly sensible, my only concern is the EU agreement - if we start taking an equal share of applicants across the EU, it could mean an increase in numbers.
Probably the single most important thing. At present, even genuine asylum claims are taking far too long. This discourages genuine claimants and thereby, in and of istelf, creates a demand for illegal routes.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66804798
Summary:-
Scrap the Rwanda deal and use the funds to target those operating the small boats.
Increase speed of processing, set up asylum courts to deal with appeals and a returns unit so some who fail might actually get sent back.
Target overseas aid and policy to try to improve the situation in the home countries of many asylum seekers to reduce the numbers wanting to leave.
New deal with the EU which would ease returns to EU countries, potentially in return for taking a percentage of asylum seekers from the EU. Would also include regaining access to the Europol shared intelligence databases.
Most of this seems fairly sensible, my only concern is the EU agreement - if we start taking an equal share of applicants across the EU, it could mean an increase in numbers.
Within the genuine claimants arriving illegally, it is therefore easier for criminals and undesirables to enter.
I would also argue that, for genuine economic migrants, there should be a faster track to both have claims to citizenship and also ability to beging paid work fast-tracked.
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