Quality street now have paper wrappers
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Most of our recycling is shipped off to Indonesia, it used to be china but they outlawed it because of child labour being used to sort through the *recyling*.
I have no doubt there is child labour involved in Indonesia and the end result is it being dumped into the ocean, similar to asking a gypsy to clear your rubbish, they charge you for it clearing then they fly tip it.
Instead of banning single use plastics, why doesn’t our government invest in a proper recycling infrastructure that actually makes a difference instead of shipping it off elsewhere and pretending it has been recycled.
It really boggles my mind because imagine the co2 those container ships emit after transporting all that recycling.
This information comes from light research into the way the UK is dealing with recycling and climate change, if I had more time and resources, I’m sure I could find out a lot more that shows the absurdity of what we’re being told.
I remember when VED was based on the amount of co2 a car emits, after hybrids/electric cars (most of which are over £40,000) became popular, they increased the VED for cars that cost over £42,000.
Climate change is nothing more than a money grab. It isn’t real and if you believe it is, you need to have a serious think about what you’re insinuating.
Our planet is 5 billion years old, 100 years of plastic and exhaust fumes isn’t going to change anything.
I’m not saying we should continue polluting it or continue using plastic, I’m saying the planet isn’t in immediate danger and everything we’re told is to make money off us.
Despite the UK’s “efforts” to recycle and be more mindful of the climate, behind closed doors, nothing is actually being done to change that. In fact, our government is complicit in child labour over in china, actually, we all are.
If I’m wrong and climate change is real, the world will bounce back just as it did after the thousands, if not millions of cataclysmic events that have occurred over the billions of years it’s existed. Maybe it isn’t a bad thing, our miserable existence will be wiped off the planet and hopefully a species with more dignity can evolve and hopefully flourish.
Sorry for the rant, I just loved the shiny plastic wrappers quality streets had.
Chestrockwell said:
Most of our recycling is shipped off to Indonesia, it used to be china but they outlawed it because of child labour being used to sort through the *recyling*.
I have no doubt there is child labour involved in Indonesia and the end result is it being dumped into the ocean, similar to asking a gypsy to clear your rubbish, they charge you for it clearing then they fly tip it.
Instead of banning single use plastics, why doesn’t our government invest in a proper recycling infrastructure that actually makes a difference instead of shipping it off elsewhere and pretending it has been recycled.
It really boggles my mind because imagine the co2 those container ships emit after transporting all that recycling.
This information comes from light research into the way the UK is dealing with recycling and climate change, if I had more time and resources, I’m sure I could find out a lot more that shows the absurdity of what we’re being told.
I remember when VED was based on the amount of co2 a car emits, after hybrids/electric cars (most of which are over £40,000) became popular, they increased the VED for cars that cost over £42,000.
[B]Climate change is nothing more than a money grab. It isn’t real and if you believe it is, you need to have a serious think about what you’re insinuating.
Our planet is 5 billion years old, 100 years of plastic and exhaust fumes isn’t going to change anything.[/b]
I’m not saying we should continue polluting it or continue using plastic, I’m saying the planet isn’t in immediate danger and everything we’re told is to make money off us.
Despite the UK’s “efforts” to recycle and be more mindful of the climate, behind closed doors, nothing is actually being done to change that. In fact, our government is complicit in child labour over in china, actually, we all are.
If I’m wrong and climate change is real, the world will bounce back just as it did after the thousands, if not millions of cataclysmic events that have occurred over the billions of years it’s existed. Maybe it isn’t a bad thing, our miserable existence will be wiped off the planet and hopefully a species with more dignity can evolve and hopefully flourish.
Sorry for the rant, I just loved the shiny plastic wrappers quality streets had.
I can (sort of) see the point the OP is trying to make... there has been so much propaganda, miss-information, science twisted until the desired 'results' are met and general crap talked about climate change that it's understandable that some people are a bit sceptical about the whole issue.I have no doubt there is child labour involved in Indonesia and the end result is it being dumped into the ocean, similar to asking a gypsy to clear your rubbish, they charge you for it clearing then they fly tip it.
Instead of banning single use plastics, why doesn’t our government invest in a proper recycling infrastructure that actually makes a difference instead of shipping it off elsewhere and pretending it has been recycled.
It really boggles my mind because imagine the co2 those container ships emit after transporting all that recycling.
This information comes from light research into the way the UK is dealing with recycling and climate change, if I had more time and resources, I’m sure I could find out a lot more that shows the absurdity of what we’re being told.
I remember when VED was based on the amount of co2 a car emits, after hybrids/electric cars (most of which are over £40,000) became popular, they increased the VED for cars that cost over £42,000.
[B]Climate change is nothing more than a money grab. It isn’t real and if you believe it is, you need to have a serious think about what you’re insinuating.
Our planet is 5 billion years old, 100 years of plastic and exhaust fumes isn’t going to change anything.[/b]
I’m not saying we should continue polluting it or continue using plastic, I’m saying the planet isn’t in immediate danger and everything we’re told is to make money off us.
Despite the UK’s “efforts” to recycle and be more mindful of the climate, behind closed doors, nothing is actually being done to change that. In fact, our government is complicit in child labour over in china, actually, we all are.
If I’m wrong and climate change is real, the world will bounce back just as it did after the thousands, if not millions of cataclysmic events that have occurred over the billions of years it’s existed. Maybe it isn’t a bad thing, our miserable existence will be wiped off the planet and hopefully a species with more dignity can evolve and hopefully flourish.
Sorry for the rant, I just loved the shiny plastic wrappers quality streets had.
Climate change is very real. The climate has and will always change to some degree. How much of an effect Anthropomorphic influenced climate change is real and how much 'natural' (for wont of a better term) is real is open to some debate.
But make no mistake, humans have had an effect. And we continue to have an effect.
What we do about it and how much we are willing to sacrifice our current standard of living in the developed world in order to try to fix the damage we have done is the big issue that we are all going to have to face in the near future.
Frankly, moaning that your sweeties have a different wrapper is not really a big issue.
And besides, Quality Street? Council.
Faust66 said:
I can (sort of) see the point the OP is trying to make... there has been so much propaganda, miss-information, science twisted until the desired 'results' are met and general crap talked about climate change that it's understandable that some people are a bit sceptical about the whole issue.
Climate change is very real. The climate has and will always change to some degree. How much of an effect Anthropomorphic influenced climate change is real and how much 'natural' (for wont of a better term) is real is open to some debate.
But make no mistake, humans have had an effect. And we continue to have an effect.
What we do about it and how much we are willing to sacrifice our current standard of living in the developed world in order to try to fix the damage we have done is the big issue that we are all going to have to face in the near future.
Frankly, moaning that your sweeties have a different wrapper is not really a big issue.
And besides, Quality Street? Council.
That’s a much better reply and I welcome healthy, mature debates.Climate change is very real. The climate has and will always change to some degree. How much of an effect Anthropomorphic influenced climate change is real and how much 'natural' (for wont of a better term) is real is open to some debate.
But make no mistake, humans have had an effect. And we continue to have an effect.
What we do about it and how much we are willing to sacrifice our current standard of living in the developed world in order to try to fix the damage we have done is the big issue that we are all going to have to face in the near future.
Frankly, moaning that your sweeties have a different wrapper is not really a big issue.
And besides, Quality Street? Council.
The truth is, we’re told we need to recycle and that we’re destroying the planet.
I’ve recycled all my life, still do and will continue to do so because I believe that eventually, whoever is in charge, will do the right thing.
When I found out that it’s sent to Indonesia on a cargo ship, it blew my mind.
The carbon dioxide that ship is bellowing out is so unnecessary yet we’re told to drive electric cars to save the planet; it’s all a lie
k all to ship our rubbish to the far east as we buy a load of tat from there, so there are empty containers that are going that way anyway.Chestrockwell said:
Ahhhh there it is!!
Here I was thinking this thread started off nicely
It’s always the simple minded that believe and follow everything they are told that resort to name calling and swearing when somebody gives an opinion that differs to theirs.
Let me guess, you hid inside the entirety of 2020 and wore a face mask everywhere including in the car?
Well while we were told to stay inside and not see our loved ones, the people who told you what to do were doing lines, f*cking eachother, and having parties while laughing at all of us.
Volcano’s rarely erupt, when they do, it’s small and but it still has an impact on the climate albeit not that detrimental. If volcano’s erupted more often and violently, the impact it would have would make our 100 years Industrial Revolution look like cigarette smoke.
Dinosaurs roamed the planet for 200 million years and went extinct 65 million years ago.
Are you telling me that during that time, there were no violent eruptions or explosions? Of course there were, but we are here now able to dig up dinosaur fossils and discusss climate change 65 million years after they went extinct.
If I’m a moron because I don’t believe the last 100 years is going to impact this 6 billion year old planets climate, then I’ll happily be one, at least I have a mind of my own that is naturally curious unlike you 2 who are programmed robots believing everything they’re told.
I still can't work out what you're trying to say. You appear to be saying that climate change = death to all life. Or something. Here I was thinking this thread started off nicely
It’s always the simple minded that believe and follow everything they are told that resort to name calling and swearing when somebody gives an opinion that differs to theirs.
Let me guess, you hid inside the entirety of 2020 and wore a face mask everywhere including in the car?
Well while we were told to stay inside and not see our loved ones, the people who told you what to do were doing lines, f*cking eachother, and having parties while laughing at all of us.
Volcano’s rarely erupt, when they do, it’s small and but it still has an impact on the climate albeit not that detrimental. If volcano’s erupted more often and violently, the impact it would have would make our 100 years Industrial Revolution look like cigarette smoke.
Dinosaurs roamed the planet for 200 million years and went extinct 65 million years ago.
Are you telling me that during that time, there were no violent eruptions or explosions? Of course there were, but we are here now able to dig up dinosaur fossils and discusss climate change 65 million years after they went extinct.
If I’m a moron because I don’t believe the last 100 years is going to impact this 6 billion year old planets climate, then I’ll happily be one, at least I have a mind of my own that is naturally curious unlike you 2 who are programmed robots believing everything they’re told.
You think the climate (by the actual definition that people who I actually want to listen to, e.g. the scientists working in their respective areas) wasn't different when the dinosaurs ruled the earth*? The average temperature of the planet was significantly warmer than today. And CO2 was a lot higher, as was oxygen levels. Because of things like significantly higher volcanic activity. Humans would have a very hard time living then.
The whole point is that our delicate global ecosystems evolved through the natural cycles of climate based on the Milankovitch cycles as they are. Right now we should be in a continued slow increase in Temp as we come out of the last glacial period...If those get thrown out of whack - and it's an undoubted fact they are - then we're going to have loads of unsavoury things happen which are documented. There are lots of feedback loops in the climatic systems so get to certain tipping points and the issue accelerates away and there's little we can do.
Would a catestrophic series of volcanic activity be more impactful than what we've done over the last 200 years? Sure. But I don't see the point you're trying to make there. That therefore we shouldn't bother?
From a proper source:
"The most significant eruptions come from super volcanoes like Yellowstone or Mount Toba, which erupt very rarely, about every 100,000 to 200,000 years or more. Yet, the total annual CO2 emissions from human activities are akin to one or more Yellowstone-sized super eruptions occurring every year."
https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/42/what-do-volcanoes-...
I think some might be underestimating how much CO2 (and other GH gases) we're chucking into the atmosphere.
I'm tired of having the same argument over and over again. The data is out there. There's enough papers and research notes published to take a lifetime to read. The issue is though these discussions are NEVER about the data or the research. If someone wants to claim to be intellectually curious, that's where they should be looking and referencing as that's the primary source.
- Dinosaurs still exist. Birds.
Timothy Bucktu said:
What annoys me, is that we really do need to be better custodians of planet earth, and stop destroying nature and treating the place like a dump on a global scale. But of course this costs money, rather than the current climate scam that makes money.
It's all so corrupt.
This is what I’m trying to say, I’m not saying I don’t care about the planet or I’m going to stop recycling, I agree we need to do better but the fear mongering is what bothers me. It's all so corrupt.
Opening a quality street container used to be magical, the vibrant colours shimmering, the scent of chocolate oozing out, passing the container around amongst family and friends during a cosy Christmas gathering.
That magic is gone now; for a good cause? No, the result is the same, in a cargo ship to Indonesia for a 10 year old on 10 pence a day to sort through and dump the unrecyclable stuff in the ocean.
May as well be passing around a container full of expired haribos
That magic is gone now; for a good cause? No, the result is the same, in a cargo ship to Indonesia for a 10 year old on 10 pence a day to sort through and dump the unrecyclable stuff in the ocean.
May as well be passing around a container full of expired haribos
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