Can Starmer revive the UK
Discussion
Looks like a shoe-in to No 10 for Labour come next G.E. Waiting to hear of course what policies he has up his sleeve that might bring some good tidings to an ailing Country. Thus far we have had
‘Tax the non dom’s’ which has been announced by a number of the Labour Shadow Front Bench, and how they intend to spend that haul of bounty. Then the £28 billion spend on ‘been stuff’ which has all but been thrown into the weeds now.
I’ve heard plenty of the ‘I’m not going to announce/decide our manifesto on your program’ .
Also heard of statements to effect ‘we are not going to make big changes’.
So what are the Labour Party all about and what do they have in the wings waiting for the big reveal?
All mystic megs out there, over to you.
‘Tax the non dom’s’ which has been announced by a number of the Labour Shadow Front Bench, and how they intend to spend that haul of bounty. Then the £28 billion spend on ‘been stuff’ which has all but been thrown into the weeds now.
I’ve heard plenty of the ‘I’m not going to announce/decide our manifesto on your program’ .
Also heard of statements to effect ‘we are not going to make big changes’.
So what are the Labour Party all about and what do they have in the wings waiting for the big reveal?
All mystic megs out there, over to you.
Only Parliament in 70 years to oversee a decline in household living standards apparently.
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
I doubt he can revive the UK, but I suspect that compared to the current bunch that are in power, he will slow down the rate at which it becomes a complete laughing stock.
Yes, pretty much this. The Conservatives have doomed themselves so inevitably Labour will get a turn at the helm.
I see no major strides with the next Government, only a steadying of the decline.
It’s likely the Government after next that will make the first step towards an actual recovery: they will win with a manifesto to rejoin the EU.
It's difficult - perhaps impossible - to go full Mystic Meg when it comes to what Labour will do. My recollection of most recent statements by Labour bods is a mix of 1) how awful the Tories have been and 2) Things We're Not Going To Do. Not terribly helpful.
At no time have I thought "Ah, yes, great idea; that might make a real difference". Labour will probably face loud calls for big spending increases on public services, but they won't have the money to fund those demands. All this tosh about non-doms, VAT on school fees and windfall taxes will make little difference to the purse strings. The trade unions might get rather frustrated.
One thing that worries me is Labour's intention to make the UK a "clean energy superpower", along with the "high quality green jobs" that they imagine will be created. I'm very sceptical about this, but I suppose we'll have to wait and see.
TLDR: he can, but he won't.
At no time have I thought "Ah, yes, great idea; that might make a real difference". Labour will probably face loud calls for big spending increases on public services, but they won't have the money to fund those demands. All this tosh about non-doms, VAT on school fees and windfall taxes will make little difference to the purse strings. The trade unions might get rather frustrated.
One thing that worries me is Labour's intention to make the UK a "clean energy superpower", along with the "high quality green jobs" that they imagine will be created. I'm very sceptical about this, but I suppose we'll have to wait and see.
TLDR: he can, but he won't.
GroundEffect said:
The last time labour were in, they improved the UK significantly. Their record tarnished primarily because of the US. I don't see why sensible people like Starmer and Reeves can't do the same again.
Agree. However, Labour and Tory supporters alike are going to have to accept it is going to take time to sort out the current mess. Public services are either broken or not performing to acceptable standards. Brexit, Covid, the war in Ukraine and some terrible spending decisions by the current government mean that the country is also broke. Will take at least two parliaments for Labour to make significant improvements. It’s amazing how frequently some moan about a lack of policies or manifesto from Labour. What are the Tories policies for the next election? Where’s their manifesto? Nobody publishes one until there’s an election to be won and that’s about a year away. At that point. You can all throw your arms in the air and scream reckless, disaster, bankrupt the country and whatever else is the norm.
In reality, the Tories are currently eating themselves and you should never interrupt your enemy while he’s making a mistake.
Anyway what does he need to revive? It’s all sunny uplands and sovereignty now isn’t it?
Yours faithfully, a former lifelong Tory voter who will actively vote against the Tories for the first time ever at the next GE and probably never vote for them again until the ERG and similar extremists are removed from the party.
In reality, the Tories are currently eating themselves and you should never interrupt your enemy while he’s making a mistake.
Anyway what does he need to revive? It’s all sunny uplands and sovereignty now isn’t it?
Yours faithfully, a former lifelong Tory voter who will actively vote against the Tories for the first time ever at the next GE and probably never vote for them again until the ERG and similar extremists are removed from the party.
LF5335 said:
It’s amazing how frequently some moan about a lack of policies or manifesto from Labour. What are the Tories policies for the next election? Where’s their manifesto? Nobody publishes one until there’s an election to be won and that’s about a year away. At that point. You can all throw your arms in the air and scream reckless, disaster, bankrupt the country and whatever else is the norm.
In reality, the Tories are currently eating themselves and you should never interrupt your enemy while he’s making a mistake.
Anyway what does he need to revive? It’s all sunny uplands and sovereignty now isn’t it?
Yours faithfully, a former lifelong Tory voter who will actively vote against the Tories for the first time ever at the next GE and probably never vote for them again until the ERG and similar extremists are removed from the party.
Agreed policies are all poop, philosophy is king though.In reality, the Tories are currently eating themselves and you should never interrupt your enemy while he’s making a mistake.
Anyway what does he need to revive? It’s all sunny uplands and sovereignty now isn’t it?
Yours faithfully, a former lifelong Tory voter who will actively vote against the Tories for the first time ever at the next GE and probably never vote for them again until the ERG and similar extremists are removed from the party.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Looks like panic is definitely setting in with some people 
I suppose for some people it's easier to make up fantasy scenarios of how much worse things could be under labour, rather than face the realities of how much worse things have got under this Tory government.It's tough though, as the usual "high taxes" and "poor economic policies" seems to have already been stolen by the Tories, no wonder Labour are reticent to publish any of their new ideas. They're worried that the Tories will steal those too!
GroundEffect said:
The last time labour were in, they improved the UK significantly. Their record tarnished primarily because of the US. I don't see why sensible people like Starmer and Reeves can't do the same again.
This has to be a parody post.Are you saying that the GFC and ensuing crash was entirely down to the US?!
tangerine_sedge said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Looks like panic is definitely setting in with some people
I suppose for some people it's easier to make up fantasy scenarios of how much worse things could be under labour, rather than face the realities of how much worse things have got under this Tory government.It's tough though, as the usual "high taxes" and "poor economic policies" seems to have already been stolen by the Tories, no wonder Labour are reticent to publish any of their new ideas. They're worried that the Tories will steal those too!
Meanwhile, those of us with no 'team' are looking on pretty aghast at all the options knowing that whoever gets in won't make a blind bit of difference as they are all useless. A Labour government will, truth be told, be no worse that the utter shambles we have at present and can continue frenziedly playing away at the violins on the deck of the Titanic.
Edited by BigMon on Saturday 25th November 15:13
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