Scottish teachers mock pupil/parents privately on whatsapp
Scottish teachers mock pupil/parents privately on whatsapp
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theplayingmantis

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5,147 posts

99 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-...

private messages.

what do they think teachers discuss privately between each other, everywhere, about pupils and parents...

CoolHands

21,203 posts

212 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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An independent review last year ruled some of the messages were "disparaging". Oh how terrible.

Nevertheless I’m sure the stty parents will be chomping at the bit to find out if they’re the parents of the kids being talked about. To give them something else to get attention for.

On a side note I notice the beeb have inserted [sic] in this sentence which they shouldn’t have done, the thickos

“If the biggest little [st] thinks he will be sewing he has another think [sic] coming”

spikyone

1,768 posts

117 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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So they think one of their pupils is a little st, and suggest that bad parenting might result in badly behaved children.

I'm not exactly sure what we're supposed to be shocked by here. Nothing in that seems particularly offensive, and the second screenshot - though obviously out of context - seems like a fair opinion to hold.

The only thing in that article that made me think "WTF?" was mention of "the children's rights" by the complete wet lettuce that they interviewed. Because nobody should ever hold a negative opinion about the precious little darlings...

(That and the [sic] that had been inserted in "another think coming" - which I presume was put there later by someone that doesn't realise it's actually correct. A* for the teachers involved. Or level 9, or whatever it is this week.)

spikyone

1,768 posts

117 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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CoolHands said:
On a side note I notice the beeb have inserted [sic] in this sentence which they shouldn’t have done, the thickos

“If the biggest little [st] thinks he will be sewing he has another think [sic] coming”
beer

CoolHands

21,203 posts

212 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Incidentally I don’t actually know why [sic] is used for this purpose, does it stand for something or what? I haven’t googled it for once!

JagLover

45,090 posts

252 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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spikyone said:
So they think one of their pupils is a little st, and suggest that bad parenting might result in badly behaved children.

I'm not exactly sure what we're supposed to be shocked by here. Nothing in that seems particularly offensive, and the second screenshot - though obviously out of context - seems like a fair opinion to hold.
Storm in a teacup.

Nothing that hasn't likely been said face to face for generations. Why someone is leaking a private message group is more open to question.

Murph7355

40,483 posts

273 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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CoolHands said:
Incidentally I don’t actually know why [sic] is used for this purpose, does it stand for something or what? I haven’t googled it for once!
It's to note that this is how the sentence was actually used when being quoted (so you know the author of the article wasn't making the mistake) and/or to note a deliberate gaff.

mcdjl

5,612 posts

212 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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Murph7355 said:
CoolHands said:
Incidentally I don’t actually know why [sic] is used for this purpose, does it stand for something or what? I haven’t googled it for once!
It's to note that this is how the sentence was actually used when being quoted (so you know the author of the article wasn't making the mistake) and/or to note a deliberate gaff.
Except in this instance the original author was right, and the BBC journalist was wrong. Glad it's not just me who thought that.
That kind of comment has been made at every school since the year dot. When my mum was teaching she would often moan about child x. I suspect she just didn't ever write it down.

S600BSB

6,693 posts

123 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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Non story.

Murph7355

40,483 posts

273 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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mcdjl said:
Except in this instance the original author was right, and the BBC journalist was wrong. Glad it's not just me who thought that.
That kind of comment has been made at every school since the year dot. When my mum was teaching she would often moan about child x. I suspect she just didn't ever write it down.
To be fair I don't think we can tell who it was who inserted '[sic]' and either (WhatsApp or BBC) author was probably right to do.

I wonder how many parents' WhatsApp groups there are with disparaging comments about teachers.

Non-story as noted about. If I were to bet, I'd bet the kid is probably a little st smile

GT03ROB

13,840 posts

238 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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S600BSB said:
Non story.
Exactly..Teachers have always moaned about parents / kids. They used to do it the staffroom over tea & biscuits. Now they do it over Whatsapp.

OutInTheShed

12,012 posts

43 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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The problem is the teachers have put stuff on Whatsapp which won't go away.
That's unprofessional.

How would your employer react if you put stuff on social media saying your customers were turds?

For people employed to educate kids, it's not a great example of good behaviour or common sense.

Don Roque

18,146 posts

176 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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spikyone said:
CoolHands said:
On a side note I notice the beeb have inserted [sic] in this sentence which they shouldn’t have done, the thickos

“If the biggest little [st] thinks he will be sewing he has another think [sic] coming”
beer
Even better because they thought they were correcting a mistake when instead they were the ones who were wrong. Truly, pride comes before a fall.

In this case, I have no issue with the messages because I have no problem with people discussing things and voicing opinions in private. If any of the parents were upset to find out that their child is poorly behaved or a 'st' then they should look at themselves first.

boyse7en

7,705 posts

182 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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OutInTheShed said:
The problem is the teachers have put stuff on Whatsapp which won't go away.
That's unprofessional.

How would your employer react if you put stuff on social media saying your customers were turds?

For people employed to educate kids, it's not a great example of good behaviour or common sense.
Is Whatsapp social media? I thought it was private. Certainly they make a big song and dance about "end to end encryption". Not much point if all and sundry can read private messages.

Eric Mc

124,104 posts

282 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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The key word is "privately".

However, ANY supposed private message sent electronically is bound not to be as private as the sender or recipient might have thought.

bitchstewie

59,872 posts

227 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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boyse7en said:
Is Whatsapp social media? I thought it was private. Certainly they make a big song and dance about "end to end encryption". Not much point if all and sundry can read private messages.
Encryption doesn't do anything if someone who's legitimately received the messages shows them someone or passes them on.

iphonedyou

9,952 posts

174 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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CoolHands said:
An independent review last year ruled some of the messages were "disparaging". Oh how terrible.

Nevertheless I’m sure the stty parents will be chomping at the bit to find out if they’re the parents of the kids being talked about. To give them something else to get attention for.

On a side note I notice the beeb have inserted [sic] in this sentence which they shouldn’t have done, the thickos

“If the biggest little [st] thinks he will be sewing he has another think [sic] coming”
Does the 'sic' not denote that the BBC has quoted the sentence including the mistake ('think', rather than 'thing'?)

CoolHands

21,203 posts

212 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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Do you need a parrot, or is it me

iphonedyou

9,952 posts

174 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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CoolHands said:
Do you need a parrot, or is it me
Probably me.

2xChevrons

4,140 posts

97 months

Thursday 23rd November 2023
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iphonedyou said:
CoolHands said:
Do you need a parrot, or is it me
Probably me.
This is one of those cases where I felt my brain was melting, because I have never, in my nearly 40 years, read or used "another think coming". To me the idiom is just "another thing coming."

But apparently (according to the OED) "another think coming" is the older - and more British - phrase and "another thing coming" is a later (but still quite old by now) Americanism.

As I first read it the Beeb's use of [sic] was absolutely right, but it seems plenty of people wouldn't take it that way.

Which now makes we wonder what portion of the times I've heard "thing" and actually the speaker was saying "think."

I still think "another think coming" is a clunkier phrase - 'a think' isn't a thing. As it were...

This is like the blue/white dress, or when people without an internal monologue learn about people with one (and vice versa)

Edited by 2xChevrons on Thursday 23 November 12:34