Labour's Migration Crisis Plan

[pequod]

As the Labour Party will, in all probability, be forming the next Govt is it time to examine their plans to fix the boat crossings and other migration issues both here, and in Europe?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/14/w...

A good starting point would be to rejoin Europol, if we're allowed....

Edited for clarity.

Edited by pequod on Saturday 18th November 21:40

[Earthdweller]

pequod said:

A good starting point would be to rejoin Interpol, if we're allowed....

Tell me, how do we rejoin something we never left, Interpol is a global organisation with zero to do with the EU or Brexit

Just to reaffirm the U.K. IS a member of Interpol

https://www.interpol.int/en/Who-we-are/Member-coun...

[pequod]

Earthdweller said:

pequod said:

A good starting point would be to rejoin Interpol, if we're allowed....

Tell me, how do we rejoin something we never left, Interpol is a global organisation with zero to do with the EU or Brexit

Just to reaffirm the U.K. IS a member of Interpol

https://www.interpol.int/en/Who-we-are/Member-coun...

Apologies, I was typing Europol and the infernal machine decided it knew better! Note to self, proof read everything before posting on NPE....

[Ivan stewart]

pequod said:

As the Labour Party will, in all probability, be forming the next Govt is it time to examine their plans to fix the boat crossings and other migration issues both here, and in Europe?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/14/w...

A good starting point would be to rejoin Europol, if we're allowed....

Edited for clarity.

Edited by pequod on Saturday 18th November 21:40

They will let them in no questions asked
They need replacements for the loss of the Jewish vote..
not sure about europol is it Halal compliant??

[frisbee]

They'll destroy the economy, make everyone become a vegan and speak Klingon. Non one will want to come here anymore.

[otolith]

Is their plan to focus more on things which make people’s lives materially better and less on things GBNews and the Wail and Express like to wind people up about? I hope so.

[Fast and Spurious]

frisbee said:

They'll destroy the economy, make everyone become a vegan and speak Klingon. Non one will want to come here anymore.

ngaghmeyvaD QoylaHbe'chugh, vaj tugh ngaSbej.

[swisstoni]

I’m guessing an agreement with the EU to take a certain quota of all EU illegal migrants/asylum seekers per year would see ‘the boats’ from France miraculously stop overnight.

Upsides: Starmer ‘stops the boats’ and therefore he and Labour are great guys!

Downsides:
Very likely the migrant number would exceed the numbers currently coming on boats.
The EU decide the quota.
The EU count the total migrants.
The EU are prone to ‘stitching up’ the UK because they don’l like us.

Edited by swisstoni on Saturday 18th November 22:35

[Earthdweller]

pequod said:

Apologies, I was typing Europol and the infernal machine decided it knew better! Note to self, proof read everything before posting on NPE....

I’m not convinced that loss of membership of EuroPol is a big issue to be fair

Interpol and EuroPol work closely together, the U.K. still has detectives based at EuroPol headquarters in the Netherlands and cooperates on cross border matters, more so than any other third country

We still have extradition agreements in place, now similar to EEA members like Norway, we still have access to the fingerprint and DNA databases through the Prium
System in both directions

Intelligence sharing is still continuing and it’s acknowledged that U.K. intelligence/law enforcement has been instrumental in foiling a number of terrorist attacks in EU countries

The only real loss is access to the shengen intelligence system which was probably not a lot of use to the U.K. anyway

[pequod]

Earthdweller said:

I’m not convinced that loss of membership of EuroPol is a big issue to be fair

Interpol and EuroPol work closely together, the U.K. still has detectives based at EuroPol headquarters in the Netherlands and cooperates on cross border matters, more so than any other third country

We still have extradition agreements in place, now similar to EEA members like Norway, we still have access to the fingerprint and DNA databases through the Prium
System in both directions

Intelligence sharing is still continuing and it’s acknowledged that U.K. intelligence/law enforcement has been instrumental in foiling a number of terrorist attacks in EU countries

The only real loss is access to the shengen intelligence system which was probably not a lot of use to the U.K. anyway

If that's the case why is Starmer highlighting this need to rejoin Europol, as he must be aware of the current arrangements? I assume the shengen intelligence system works with Europol or are they completely separate and unwilling to share intel?

The other plan Labour are proposing, whereupon we take a share of asylum seekers arriving in Europe (say 100,000 being our share), as I understand it these are the number we 'process' rather than accepting their claim without checking? Might be wrong though as it isn't clear in that Guardian piece, but if I'm right where are these 100k applicants being housed whilst awaiting assessment...... hotels/barges/army camps seem popular at the moment but have Labour other ideas which will save the taxpayer the cost of temporary accommodation?

Even if the next Govt go down the processing centre in France route, we are surely going to be expected to pick up all the costs which will include housing the claimants, in France!

It'll be interesting to watch Labour spin this next year.

[Rivenink]

pequod said:

Earthdweller said:

I’m not convinced that loss of membership of EuroPol is a big issue to be fair

Interpol and EuroPol work closely together, the U.K. still has detectives based at EuroPol headquarters in the Netherlands and cooperates on cross border matters, more so than any other third country

We still have extradition agreements in place, now similar to EEA members like Norway, we still have access to the fingerprint and DNA databases through the Prium
System in both directions

Intelligence sharing is still continuing and it’s acknowledged that U.K. intelligence/law enforcement has been instrumental in foiling a number of terrorist attacks in EU countries

The only real loss is access to the shengen intelligence system which was probably not a lot of use to the U.K. anyway

If that's the case why is Starmer highlighting this need to rejoin Europol, as he must be aware of the current arrangements? I assume the shengen intelligence system works with Europol or are they completely separate and unwilling to share intel?

The other plan Labour are proposing, whereupon we take a share of asylum seekers arriving in Europe (say 100,000 being our share), as I understand it these are the number we 'process' rather than accepting their claim without checking? Might be wrong though as it isn't clear in that Guardian piece, but if I'm right where are these 100k applicants being housed whilst awaiting assessment...... hotels/barges/army camps seem popular at the moment but have Labour other ideas which will save the taxpayer the cost of temporary accommodation?

Even if the next Govt go down the processing centre in France route, we are surely going to be expected to pick up all the costs which will include housing the claimants, in France!

It'll be interesting to watch Labour spin this next year.

Migration is going to be a thing for the decades to come. It's not magically going to stop.

Some of the more sociopathic people on here would be quite happy with the solution sealing our borders and sending men, women and children to the bottom of the English channel if they dare to cross, with an unrealistic, hypocritical expectation that EU states should spend their money and resouces helping the UK with nothing in return.

For those of us who arn't sociopaths, and are willing to help those in geniune need, we need the proper processes and infrastructure in place to welcome those in need, and reject those who're arn't.

Right now, this Tory Government has spent the last 13 years twiddling their thumbs, cooking up stupid schemes they know will be successfully challenged in court.

Working with the EU on this issue puts stability into the system. The Government can budget for processing 100,000 asylum seekers; infrastructure and resources. 100,000 people a year, average case processing time of x weeks, needs Y amount of housing and Z amount of staff to process the cases in a timely way. And in return, all the EU countries put resources into stopping illegal migrants even reaching France, let alone the UK.

It's a sensible solution. Especially if Starmer can negotiate that UK Asylum Processing happens in the EU country that would be sending the Asylum Seekers, and they're not flown to the UK until their application has been accepted and is successful.

[crankedup5]

swisstoni said:

I’m guessing an agreement with the EU to take a certain quota of all EU illegal migrants/asylum seekers per year would see ‘the boats’ from France miraculously stop overnight.

Upsides: Starmer ‘stops the boats’ and therefore he and Labour are great guys!

Downsides:
Very likely the migrant number would exceed the numbers currently coming on boats.
The EU decide the quota.
The EU count the total migrants.
The EU are prone to ‘stitching up’ the UK because they don’l like us.

Edited by swisstoni on Saturday 18th November 22:35

No worries, the EU have already waved Mr Flip Flop away and with his deranged crawling to the EU seeking help regards our migrants issue. Starmer must have forgotten that the U.K. is not an EU member Country. And that’s what we have coming if Labour win a GE.

[V88Dicky]

Rivenink said:

Migration is going to be a thing for the decades to come. It's not magically going to stop.

Some of the more sociopathic people on here would be quite happy with the solution sealing our borders and sending men, women and children to the bottom of the English channel if they dare to cross, with an unrealistic, hypocritical expectation that EU states should spend their money and resouces helping the UK with nothing in return.

For those of us who arn't sociopaths, and are willing to help those in geniune need, we need the proper processes and infrastructure in place to welcome those in need, and reject those who're arn't.

Right now, this Tory Government has spent the last 13 years twiddling their thumbs, cooking up stupid schemes they know will be successfully challenged in court.

Working with the EU on this issue puts stability into the system. The Government can budget for processing 100,000 asylum seekers; infrastructure and resources. 100,000 people a year, average case processing time of x weeks, needs Y amount of housing and Z amount of staff to process the cases in a timely way. And in return, all the EU countries put resources into stopping illegal migrants even reaching France, let alone the UK.

It's a sensible solution. Especially if Starmer can negotiate that UK Asylum Processing happens in the EU country that would be sending the Asylum Seekers, and they're not flown to the UK until their application has been accepted and is successful.

And how many of these fighting age males men, women and children do you think need help? Bearing in mind, they’ve already passed through at least half a dozen safe countries to reach the Channel?

[Penny Whistle]

Rivenink said:

It's a sensible solution. Especially if Starmer can negotiate that UK Asylum Processing happens in the EU country that would be sending the Asylum Seekers, and they're not flown to the UK until their application has been accepted and is successful.

What's in it for the EU country ? Presumably they would prefer that failed asylum seekers were found out in the UK so that we had the problem of dealing with their repatriation.

[Tom8]

Watching the news last week and they were in Calais walking round these makeshift camps on wasteland. Then on our side of La Manche they are all living in hotels or on a nice warm ship, medical care, cash etc etc.

So tell me again how we stop the invasion?

[otolith]

Tom8 said:

Watching the news last week and they were in Calais walking round these makeshift camps on wasteland. Then on our side of La Manche they are all living in hotels or on a nice warm ship, medical care, cash etc etc.

So tell me again how we stop the invasion?

Is it by getting into a competition with France to see who can treat them the most inhumanely?

[Tom8]

otolith said:

Tom8 said:

Watching the news last week and they were in Calais walking round these makeshift camps on wasteland. Then on our side of La Manche they are all living in hotels or on a nice warm ship, medical care, cash etc etc.

So tell me again how we stop the invasion?

Is it by getting into a competition with France to see who can treat them the most inhumanely?

We don't treat other criminals like that.

[Rivenink]

Tom8 said:

otolith said:

Tom8 said:

Watching the news last week and they were in Calais walking round these makeshift camps on wasteland. Then on our side of La Manche they are all living in hotels or on a nice warm ship, medical care, cash etc etc.

So tell me again how we stop the invasion?

Is it by getting into a competition with France to see who can treat them the most inhumanely?

We don't treat other criminals like that.

Asylum seekers are not criminals. HTH.

[Rivenink]

Penny Whistle said:

Rivenink said:

It's a sensible solution. Especially if Starmer can negotiate that UK Asylum Processing happens in the EU country that would be sending the Asylum Seekers, and they're not flown to the UK until their application has been accepted and is successful.

What's in it for the EU country ? Presumably they would prefer that failed asylum seekers were found out in the UK so that we had the problem of dealing with their repatriation.

That would be where the negotiation part comes in.

[otolith]

Rivenink said:

Penny Whistle said:

Rivenink said:

It's a sensible solution. Especially if Starmer can negotiate that UK Asylum Processing happens in the EU country that would be sending the Asylum Seekers, and they're not flown to the UK until their application has been accepted and is successful.

What's in it for the EU country ? Presumably they would prefer that failed asylum seekers were found out in the UK so that we had the problem of dealing with their repatriation.

That would be where the negotiation part comes in.

Do we have anything to offer that they want?