Another "NIP farm" broken

[ingenieur]

This Swansea NIP farm has been dismantled

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/...

- Swansea based Iraqi failed asylum seeker caused two of his speeding tickets to be diverted to the same innocent driver in Eastbourne

- NIPs are diverted to NIP farm location and dealt with by the scammers

- Eastbourne man loses license and job despite being nowhere near the locations in question at time of speeding offences. Bailiffs seize car and pursue outstanding debt.

- Police become concerned when they start to notice that a particular postal address is being used on a lot of NIP forms and start investigating

[bqf]

Jesus - thats shocking. never heard about these

[ingenieur]

bqf said:

Jesus - thats shocking. never heard about these

To be fair... aside from the illegality of it... it's a well thought out idea for a business.

It also makes a good argument for the idea of keeping things simple. It's the fact that we've set up this complicated system for ensnaring drivers that has allowed this scam to be created. It would not have happened if all speeding offences were still dealt with by moustachioed police constables leaning over the side of a jam sandwich with a radar gun.

[ashleyman]

I have so many questions!!!

If someone who lived in Eastbourne presenting as someone from Swansea tried to open a bank account, take out finance etc... I would have assumed that it would have been declined because that persons details don't match up and therefore wouldn't get lent too.

So with that in mind... Do the Police not do any checks that the details they are getting back on NIPs match actual people?

And how did the Police decided that the man they located in Eastbourne was the person this Ali person had assigned the NIP too?

If the lad is on temporary humanitarian permission to remain then I'd assume that with a now criminal record in the UK he would be sent back to his origin country?

I guess it's essentially a form of ID theft but I wonder how the innocent guy found out he had been convicted in absence.

[Gad-Westy]

It seems a little bizarre to me that someone can end up with multiple court-heard prosecutions and nobody questioned the fact that they have never lived at the addresses in question. Scummy crime but also a little worrying that the system allows this to happen.

[vikingaero]

Lots of ads currently on Facebook & Facebook Marketplace offering to sort out NIPs for £150.

There are no checks. Much like people in certain streets around the country find that people are registering limited companies to that address through companies house. You would think there needs to be a link - for example registering a business to your own home, business or accountants address is fine, registering to a complete random address hundreds of miles away is not.

[-crookedtail-]

ashleyman said:

I have so many questions!!!

And how did the Police decided that the man they located in Eastbourne was the person this Ali person had assigned the NIP too?

This is the bit I don't get, unless they use really rare names?

Even then couldn't Eastbourne man just provide any evidence that he hadn't been anywhere near Wales?

Bizarre

[vikingaero]

-crookedtail- said:

ashleyman said:

I have so many questions!!!

And how did the Police decided that the man they located in Eastbourne was the person this Ali person had assigned the NIP too?

This is the bit I don't get, unless they use really rare names?

Even then couldn't Eastbourne man just provide any evidence that he hadn't been anywhere near Wales?

Bizarre

Ali used Mr Pullings name but used an address in Wales, so the Safety Camera and Court Summons went to the Welsh addresses and Mr Pulling was convicted in his absence. It was probably the bailiffs that did a trace on Mr Pulling to get their money (bailiffs don't do it for the love of justice) and doorstepped Mr Pulling and seized his car. It's likely that as a takeaway delivery driver, Mr Pulling did not have the funds, means or knowledge to challenge the bailiffs/seizure and overturn the Court process.

[RSstuff]

4 months inside, for perverting the course of justice? Probably the tip of the iceberg too. This country is a soft touch for the criminals of the world, no wonder the boats keep coming...

[Megaflow]

ashleyman said:

I have so many questions!!!

If someone who lived in Eastbourne presenting as someone from Swansea tried to open a bank account, take out finance etc... I would have assumed that it would have been declined because that persons details don't match up and therefore wouldn't get lent too.

So with that in mind... Do the Police not do any checks that the details they are getting back on NIPs match actual people?

And how did the Police decided that the man they located in Eastbourne was the person this Ali person had assigned the NIP too?

If the lad is on temporary humanitarian permission to remain then I'd assume that with a now criminal record in the UK he would be sent back to his origin country?

I guess it's essentially a form of ID theft but I wonder how the innocent guy found out he had been convicted in absence.

I think this conclusive proves, if there was any doubt already, that speeding tickets have nothing to do with improving safety and all about revenue generation. After all, if it was about improving safety, surely you'd be monitoring those caught, making sure details match, to identify repeat offenders.

[Every day a journey]

That's a shockingly lenient sentence

[The Don of Croy]

RSstuff said:

4 months inside, for perverting the course of justice? Probably the tip of the iceberg too. This country is a soft touch for the criminals of the world, no wonder the boats keep coming...

According to that article, he was granted leave to stay on humanitarian grounds (an illegal immigrant otherwise).

Plus he had 'mental health issues' which may be connected to cannabis use?

Net result for UK taxpayer = 4 months full board accommodation, plus whatever comes next, whilst Mr. Eastbourne had previously been earning and paying taxes is now without a car or job.

Wait till GB News gets hold of this...

[Tankrizzo]

It seems a little bizarre in this day and age that you can name anyone you like on a piece of paper and they end up with convictions.

Question - for the innocent party to end up with points etc, surely someone would have had to provide his licence details at some stage?

[VSKeith]

Gad-Westy said:

It seems a little bizarre to me that someone can end up with multiple court-heard prosecutions and nobody questioned the fact that they have never lived at the addresses in question. Scummy crime but also a little worrying that the system allows this to happen.

Exactly this. There was a thread on the subject recently and I assumed the process must have involved a surreptitious address change with the DVLA and the NIP farmer accepting the points and fine at the new address.

Turns out we have a system whereby anyone can be nominated and convicted with the only 'evidence' being that someone is saying: "They did it".

Beyond shocking.


ETA: OK, so it's not as bad as just: "They did it", someone does have to accept the nomination and quite a few details are required, but there really should be a check for a different address and the nominee should also be written to at the original address on the DB

Edited by VSKeith on Friday 17th November 13:19

Edited by VSKeith on Friday 17th November 13:27

[The Don of Croy]

VSKeith said:

Turns out we have a system whereby anyone can be nominated and convicted with the only 'evidence' being that someone is saying: "They did it".

My understanding of that article is (and from receiving my own NIP) plod write to your address (keeper of vehicle) whereby you grass up AN Other at an accommodation address.

Plod writes to accommodation address and the criminals answer in the affirmative.

Fine issued, never paid. Points follow etc. If anyone visits the accommodation address everyone on site just denies any connection.

Poor nominated driver eventually gets tracked down by bailiffs (probably with DVLA help).

All kinds of wrong.

[NFT]

Aww, I clicked this thinking the aggressive civilian handling NIP twunts damaging good people with near automatic convictions for little to nothing had been shut down,

You know, for imagining things like warp speed children racing toward the central bumper and monstrous individuals when seeing a decent driver with docs in order coming down lane first and unintentionally gaining a few mph than usual due to perfect conditions, lack of road & footpath users on inductive road layouts &/or overly slow limits on way to make a wage the gov can get at despite being surrounded by miscreant politicians and tyranny. Oh well.

Megaflow said:

I think this conclusive proves, if there was any doubt already, that speeding tickets have nothing to do with improving safety and all about revenue generation. After all, if it was about improving safety, surely you'd be monitoring those caught, making sure details match, to identify repeat offenders.

Indeed, why can't crims do something a bit more productive, like taking van mans van away and leaving him sat on the footpath with a light dusting to sell van and equipment saving courts time and costs. Crims lawyer could tout how they saved many thousands of police and court hours while substantially cutting the bill serving the true wishes of society before the usual often successful arguments to mitigate are delivered up.

Edited by NFT on Friday 17th November 13:12

[VSKeith]

The Don of Croy said:

VSKeith said:

Turns out we have a system whereby anyone can be nominated and convicted with the only 'evidence' being that someone is saying: "They did it".

My understanding of that article is (and from receiving my own NIP) plod write to your address (keeper of vehicle) whereby you grass up AN Other at an accommodation address.

Plod writes to accommodation address and the criminals answer in the affirmative.

Fine issued, never paid. Points follow etc. If anyone visits the accommodation address everyone on site just denies any connection.

Poor nominated driver eventually gets tracked down by bailiffs (probably with DVLA help).

All kinds of wrong.

Yep, somehow didn't process the bit where someone does actually accept the nomination. I seem to have a bit of brain fog recently. However, the fact that they don't look at the address discrepancy and actually write to the address on the DVLA DB as well is beyond me.

[DaveCWK]

This obviously leaves a massive paper trail back to the vehicle reg number & registered keeper at the time.
I want to know if the people who used this service were subsequently prosecuted?

[VSKeith]

DaveCWK said:

This obviously leaves a massive paper trail back to the vehicle reg number & registered keeper at the time.
I want to know if the people who used this service were subsequently prosecuted?

It was the driver using the service that was jailed.

But don't take my word for it, my brain has ceased to function

[VSKeith]

All using Swansea addresses.

Someone passing driver details from DVLA to the miscreants?