What if we didn’t have to vote Labour or Tory??

[Ivan stewart]

Yes I know the labour will get in if don’t vote Tory or the conservatives will get in if we don’t vote Labour…
However who could we vote for if this wasn’t the case??
I’m right wing but I’m quite impressed with this lot
www.sdp.org.uk ..

[bristolracer]

Voting should be mandatory with the ballot paper having an option for “none of the above”
Perhaps then the politicians may see just how totally fked off most of us are with all of them.

[Flumpo]

bristolracer said:

Voting should be mandatory with the ballot paper having an option for “none of the above”
Perhaps then the politicians may see just how totally fked off most of us are with all of them.

Or a box for lucky dip. Then like jury service, someone is picked at random from the electoral roll.

[Klippie]

UK politics needs to get back to basics, run the country and leave us all alone to get on with our lives, just be there when we need you...no stupid green nonsense which is ruining the country, nationalize the energy providers and water companies, tax all business at point of sale which would raise billions and give the workers a break from high taxes.

We all need a decent place to live walk the streets safely and a have good standard of living its not much to ask is it.

Oh and take a very hard line on crime.

I'll vote for whoever can deliver on all of the above.

Edited by Klippie on Monday 13th November 22:04

[Getragdogleg]

This already exists if you actually fking engage with politics and vote for the person who matches your own views the most closely.

I don't vote for a party, I vote for my local candidate who I agree with the most, or at the very least disagree with the least. Over the years I have voted all over the parties.

If everyone did this and stopped thinking its either Lab or Con then we could actually move on from this farcical situation of a a supposed two party country.

MP are supposed to be representatives of their local area.

[xx99xx]

Getragdogleg said:

This already exists if you actually fking engage with politics and vote for the person who matches your own views the most closely.

I don't vote for a party, I vote for my local candidate who I agree with the most, or at the very least disagree with the least. Over the years I have voted all over the parties.

If everyone did this and stopped thinking its either Lab or Con then we could actually move on from this farcical situation of a a supposed two party country.

MP are supposed to be representatives of their local area.

Like.

[Ivan stewart]

Getragdogleg said:

This already exists if you actually fking engage with politics and vote for the person who matches your own views the most closely.

I don't vote for a party, I vote for my local candidate who I agree with the most, or at the very least disagree with the least. Over the years I have voted all over the parties.

If everyone did this and stopped thinking its either Lab or Con then we could actually move on from this farcical situation of a a supposed two party country.

MP are supposed to be representatives of their local area.

Exactly the point I was making , sadly you just get it’s a wasted vote or why don’t we have none of the above on the ballot paper.. hopefully this coming GE will be the first time people vote for what they want not the least worst option!!!

Edited by Ivan stewart on Tuesday 14th November 07:12

[Ivan stewart]

Klippie said:

UK politics needs to get back to basics, run the country and leave us all alone to get on with our lives, just be there when we need you...no stupid green nonsense which is ruining the country, nationalize the energy providers and water companies, tax all business at point of sale which would raise billions and give the workers a break from high taxes.

We all need a decent place to live walk the streets safely and a have good standard of living its not much to ask is it.

Oh and take a very hard line on crime.

I'll vote for whoever can deliver on all of the above.

Edited by Klippie on Monday 13th November 22:04

Did you look at the link I posted ?

[heisthegaffer]

Am I right in thinking there are other countries where you can vote for what you want to happen rather than people/parties?

[gazza285]

Getragdogleg said:

MP are supposed to be representatives of their local area.

I fully agree. Our MP isn’t from my local area, he was parachuted in.

[Ivan stewart]

heisthegaffer said:

Am I right in thinking there are other countries where you can vote for what you want to happen rather than people/parties?

Well Switzerland have lots of referendums and other countries have proportional representation so the biggest vote gets the most influence ..

[Zarco]

xx99xx said:

Getragdogleg said:

This already exists if you actually fking engage with politics and vote for the person who matches your own views the most closely.

I don't vote for a party, I vote for my local candidate who I agree with the most, or at the very least disagree with the least. Over the years I have voted all over the parties.

If everyone did this and stopped thinking its either Lab or Con then we could actually move on from this farcical situation of a a supposed two party country.

MP are supposed to be representatives of their local area.

Like.

Yes, well said.

[Derek Smith]

Ivan stewart said:

Yes I know the labour will get in if don’t vote Tory or the conservatives will get in if we don’t vote Labour…
However who could we vote for if this wasn’t the case??
I’m right wing but I’m quite impressed with this lot
www.sdp.org.uk ..

I've read through the party proposals and I think it likely that you are impressed by the sdp as they are right wing.

A bizarre hotch-potch of policies.

[Derek Smith]

Zarco said:

xx99xx said:

Getragdogleg said:

This already exists if you actually fking engage with politics and vote for the person who matches your own views the most closely.

I don't vote for a party, I vote for my local candidate who I agree with the most, or at the very least disagree with the least. Over the years I have voted all over the parties.

If everyone did this and stopped thinking its either Lab or Con then we could actually move on from this farcical situation of a a supposed two party country.

MP are supposed to be representatives of their local area.

Like.

Yes, well said.

I agree.

I've been a floating voter almost all my life. Voted for all main parties and a number of indies in locals. I normally decide whom to vote for on the day but the libdems have been pushing in my true blue safe haven for the mediocre tory. They've got some seats on the local council and have made quite an impression. Mind you, I'll probably make up my mind on the morning of the GE though. Old habits and all that.

[StevieBee]

Zarco said:

xx99xx said:

Getragdogleg said:

This already exists if you actually fking engage with politics and vote for the person who matches your own views the most closely.

I don't vote for a party, I vote for my local candidate who I agree with the most, or at the very least disagree with the least. Over the years I have voted all over the parties.

If everyone did this and stopped thinking its either Lab or Con then we could actually move on from this farcical situation of a a supposed two party country.

MP are supposed to be representatives of their local area.

Like.

Yes, well said.

And another vote for Getragdogleg!

However, the problem is that most people don't think like this and treat political support like football; cheering for your own side no matter how rubbish they are and voting for your MP based on what they cam do for your local area can lend support to a party who you don't like. This is why parties like the SDP mentioned in the OP will never gain any traction, even though in theory, they could be what we need.

[Murph7355]

bristolracer said:

Voting should be mandatory with the ballot paper having an option for “none of the above”
Perhaps then the politicians may see just how totally fked off most of us are with all of them.

I tend to agree.

Getragdogleg said:

This already exists if you actually fking engage with politics and vote for the person who matches your own views the most closely.

I don't vote for a party, I vote for my local candidate who I agree with the most, or at the very least disagree with the least. Over the years I have voted all over the parties.

If everyone did this and stopped thinking its either Lab or Con then we could actually move on from this farcical situation of a a supposed two party country.

MP are supposed to be representatives of their local area.

I have some sympathy with this approach. But it assumes any of the ducking imbeciles standing are worth a go.

I've voted independent before. But too often the choices are dire. The "you're all tts" option is needed.

[CraigyMc]

Ivan Stewart said:

What if we didn’t have to vote Labour or Tory??

We don't.

[ARHarh]

Murph7355 said:

bristolracer said:

Voting should be mandatory with the ballot paper having an option for “none of the above”
Perhaps then the politicians may see just how totally fked off most of us are with all of them.

I tend to agree.

Getragdogleg said:

This already exists if you actually fking engage with politics and vote for the person who matches your own views the most closely.

I don't vote for a party, I vote for my local candidate who I agree with the most, or at the very least disagree with the least. Over the years I have voted all over the parties.

If everyone did this and stopped thinking its either Lab or Con then we could actually move on from this farcical situation of a a supposed two party country.

MP are supposed to be representatives of their local area.

I have some sympathy with this approach. But it assumes any of the ducking imbeciles standing are worth a go.

I've voted independent before. But too often the choices are dire. The "you're all tts" option is needed.

Well you do have the right to spoil your ballet paper which I believe is counted. I agree though we need a "none of the above" option. And voting should be made mandatory. Then all those who shout about their vote making no difference, and not voting, will find out their vote does count.

Where I live our former MP was dismissed for dodgy dealings, a long time conservative constituency, the Tories flew in some bloke from Birmingham who didn't even know here the area was, or anything about it. This caused a back lash and protest vote resulting in a liberal MP. This is by the far best thing that has happened for our area and things are now getting done. Not sure this would happen during a general election though. Might shake them up if it did though.

[Rivenink]

Derek Smith said:

Ivan stewart said:

Yes I know the labour will get in if don’t vote Tory or the conservatives will get in if we don’t vote Labour…
However who could we vote for if this wasn’t the case??
I’m right wing but I’m quite impressed with this lot
www.sdp.org.uk ..

I've read through the party proposals and I think it likely that you are impressed by the sdp as they are right wing.

A bizarre hotch-potch of policies.

Yep.

Another wolf in sheeps clothing.


That said, I fully support Proprotional Representation.

The current system is anachronistic, a left over from the time when a few as 2 people were eligible to vote in any given Constituency and Rottten Boroughs were a thing. The electorate would absolutely have known well the candidate they were electing.

In modern times, it's unrealistic to expect the candidate or the electorate to reach that level of familarity. Reform the system.

[Ivan stewart]

Derek Smith said:

Ivan stewart said:

Yes I know the labour will get in if don’t vote Tory or the conservatives will get in if we don’t vote Labour…
However who could we vote for if this wasn’t the case??
I’m right wing but I’m quite impressed with this lot
www.sdp.org.uk ..

I've read through the party proposals and I think it likely that you are impressed by the sdp as they are right wing.

A bizarre hotch-potch of policies.

I’d ask your doctor for something a little stronger!!
Either that or join the communist party..