EU Digital ID - For Your Convenience and Safety

EU Digital ID - For Your Convenience and Safety

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jshell

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11,251 posts

211 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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Outlets full of the annoucement about the new EU-wide digital ID system that links travel, bank accounts, medical etc.

Sounds like a disaster for freedom, but will you get it? I'll hold out as long as humanly possible, but then I'm a bit of a Contrarian!

https://x.com/Rob_Roos/status/1722304545676497141?...

It also seems to be the precursor for this, which is perhaps the conspiracists guide, though he does cite the BIS. Lnk: https://www.bis.org/publ/arpdf/ar2023e3.htm


sugerbear

4,382 posts

164 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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Is this one for the brexit thread. the UK isn't in the EU.

98elise

27,860 posts

167 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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sugerbear said:
Is this one for the brexit thread. the UK isn't in the EU.
Or the CT thread.

Tankrizzo

7,464 posts

199 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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I don't understand why offering a digital wallet that allows you to have one ID for all the services you use is a "disaster for freedom". If you do tax returns in the UK, for example, you already have a Government Gateway ID which is a step to the same thing.

Leaving aside the conspiracy woo, this is actually what's been on the table:

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-rel...

jshell

Original Poster:

11,251 posts

211 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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98elise said:
sugerbear said:
Is this one for the brexit thread. the UK isn't in the EU.
Or the CT thread.
How is it a CT when it is actually happening?

jshell

Original Poster:

11,251 posts

211 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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Tankrizzo said:
I don't understand why offering a digital wallet that allows you to have one ID for all the services you use is a "disaster for freedom". If you do tax returns in the UK, for example, you already have a Government Gateway ID which is a step to the same thing.

Leaving aside the conspiracy woo, this is actually what's been on the table:

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-rel...
Perhaps some of us don't want every aspect of our lives from finance to health to travel all held within a single central database - of which all databases can be hacked by someone. If there is a breach or hack - see the myrid previous breaches of security - then every piece of info about you would be compromised.

If such a system is set to include a future cbdc system, then your money will not be owned by you.

Tankrizzo

7,464 posts

199 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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jshell said:
Perhaps some of us don't want every aspect of our lives from finance to health to travel all held within a single central database - of which all databases can be hacked by someone. If there is a breach or hack - see the myrid previous breaches of security - then every piece of info about you would be compromised.

If such a system is set to include a future cbdc system, then your money will not be owned by you.
This doesn't make any sense. Have you misunderstood it? Your data - finance, travel, health - is already held in multiple databases, and to access them you need varying forms of ID, sometimes having to enter spurious personal data to do so. My GP online services, for example, asked for wayyyy too much info a few years ago to be able to place online prescription requests. They moved to using the centralised NHS ID and now I can use one system to do it with one ID rather than having to re-register and enter all my info to yet another company every time they decide to change to a different IT provider.

This proposal (as read) is to give EU citizens a single electronic ID in a digital wallet which can be accepted by all these different systems. Not to create a "single central database" to hold all your data.

RizzoTheRat

25,855 posts

198 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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Tankrizzo said:
I don't understand why offering a digital wallet that allows you to have one ID for all the services you use is a "disaster for freedom". If you do tax returns in the UK, for example, you already have a Government Gateway ID which is a step to the same thing.

Leaving aside the conspiracy woo, this is actually what's been on the table:

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-rel...
Indeed. I have a Dutch DigID, it gives me 2 factor authentication to log in to any government websites. Much less hassle and more secure than having to have different logins for everything.



jshell

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11,251 posts

211 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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Hopefully everyone will be free to either sign up or not then!

RizzoTheRat

25,855 posts

198 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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jshell said:
Hopefully everyone will be free to either sign up or not then!
You might want to update your profile info, it currently says you live in the UK.

jshell

Original Poster:

11,251 posts

211 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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RizzoTheRat said:
jshell said:
Hopefully everyone will be free to either sign up or not then!
You might want to update your profile info, it currently says you live in the UK.
You think that it won't be coming here? lol Just like the DSA/OSB?

tangerine_sedge

5,053 posts

224 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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jshell said:
RizzoTheRat said:
jshell said:
Hopefully everyone will be free to either sign up or not then!
You might want to update your profile info, it currently says you live in the UK.
You think that it won't be coming here? lol Just like the DSA/OSB?
So you're scared about (a) something that you blatantly don't understand and (b) something that won't actually affect you?

Wait until you hear about the heat death of the universe! hehe

jshell

Original Poster:

11,251 posts

211 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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tangerine_sedge said:
jshell said:
RizzoTheRat said:
jshell said:
Hopefully everyone will be free to either sign up or not then!
You might want to update your profile info, it currently says you live in the UK.
You think that it won't be coming here? lol Just like the DSA/OSB?
So you're scared about (a) something that you blatantly don't understand and (b) something that won't actually affect you?

Wait until you hear about the heat death of the universe! hehe
a) I understand that it's not being done for my convenience.
b) You think it won't come to the UK? rofl

Newc

1,988 posts

188 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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Well, put aside the "it's just a collection of words" nonsense in the OP, and consider the purported intention, which seems to that 'De Gubbermint' is going to take everybody's assets because blockchain.

Accept the unlikelihood of a government agency implementing such a complex technical infrastructure, then

Why ? What is the goal of said Gubbermint given that property rights are the foundation of economic success and have proven to be so for at least the past 4,000 years.

What is the Gubbermint going to do with all those assets ? A communist utopia ? Communism is labour's owning of the means of production, not the fruits of production.

And finally, if The Feds are going to come and seize everything, man, why do they need blockchain or digital IDs to be in place first ? Why have they waited till now ? What are they waiting for ? What's that knocking on my front door ? Can I hear helicopters overhead ?

Gecko1978

10,326 posts

163 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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Central ID is fine CBDC not so good as it allows government to control what you buy.

Simple example if you like a bit of cocain at the weekend giverment suddenly see you paying money in real time to Mr X Mr X then raided by police and you can't buy your sniff. Nit a problem people will say as drugs are illegal. Well addicts will still want to buy it an do anything to get it so now instead of funding a small habit via cash from there bank they now have to convert CBDC into something else....then the goverment don't let them....then addicts now resort of crime and violence you could literally make drug violence worse.

Then what if CBDC are used to ration things the government deem bad, alcohol, meat, petrol even electricity for your private car.

It's a slow creeping control and ultimately a bad idea that is likely to happen in years to comd

Tankrizzo

7,464 posts

199 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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Can we stop the CBDC chat, it's nothing to do with this proposal which is more akin to the EU creating its own OpenID system.

I'm betting that a good few of the complainers about this click the little "log in with Google/Facebook" button to register/log into sites without understanding what they're doing or how the data is being used for marketing.

Rivenink

3,936 posts

112 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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Tankrizzo said:
Can we stop the CBDC chat, it's nothing to do with this proposal which is more akin to the EU creating its own OpenID system.

I'm betting that a good few of the complainers about this click the little "log in with Google/Facebook" button to register/log into sites without understanding what they're doing or how the data is being used for marketing.
Or indeed, how their data is used by Pistonheads.

98elise

27,860 posts

167 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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jshell said:
98elise said:
sugerbear said:
Is this one for the brexit thread. the UK isn't in the EU.
Or the CT thread.
How is it a CT when it is actually happening?
It being a "disaster for freedom" and a precursor to CBDC.

The OP is going to resist it to the end though. He probably has a stockpile of 100w bulbs in his cupboard along with an analogue electricity meter and a 1g phone smile


Edited by 98elise on Thursday 9th November 11:41

bitchstewie

54,511 posts

216 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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Tankrizzo said:
Can we stop the CBDC chat, it's nothing to do with this proposal which is more akin to the EU creating its own OpenID system.

I'm betting that a good few of the complainers about this click the little "log in with Google/Facebook" button to register/log into sites without understanding what they're doing or how the data is being used for marketing.
Often done on the cheapest no-name Chinese Android phone bought on Amazon several years ago that no longer gets any security updates not even for the weird little pre-installed ones put there by the manufacturer.

Skeptisk

8,085 posts

115 months

Thursday 9th November 2023
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In Denmark we already have a similar system. My personal experience to date is only favourable. All correspondence is electronic. You get a notification per email/text that you have something to read.

Want to deal with the tax authority? Just log in with your ID

Need to deal with any authority? Same.

I haven’t heard of any security problems here. As everyone uses the system every day it would be in the news if there were.

Makes life much easier and I expect it saves money as you do so much yourself and there is less need to ring people up.

I would be interested to know whether it helps against fraud eg benefit fraud.