Monarchy and Heritage
Discussion
Following the King's Speech yesterday, news coverage seemed to laud the heritage and the "pomp" of the occasion.
To me the monarchy is largely irrelevant in real terms in modern society. Yes royal approval is given, opening and closing of parliament etc but no actual involvement in the politics. Is it time to bin all this off now? Almost a bit embarrassing really and no doubt extremely expensive too, an additional cost we really don't need.
Is there support for any form of monarchy these days?
To me the monarchy is largely irrelevant in real terms in modern society. Yes royal approval is given, opening and closing of parliament etc but no actual involvement in the politics. Is it time to bin all this off now? Almost a bit embarrassing really and no doubt extremely expensive too, an additional cost we really don't need.
Is there support for any form of monarchy these days?
It's the same issue that the likes of Canada and Australia have with replacing the head of state - we've already got a decision making process that seems to run the country OK so if you replace the monarchy with a different head of state the options are:
1) head of state with some power, in which case you need to take decision making powers away from what we already have and all the potential pitfalls that come with that
2) head of state with no power, which is what we have so why bother changing it? Who in their right mind would stand for election to this kind of position? If you're that bothered about having something other than a monarch as the head of state just have a Labrador instead.
1) head of state with some power, in which case you need to take decision making powers away from what we already have and all the potential pitfalls that come with that
2) head of state with no power, which is what we have so why bother changing it? Who in their right mind would stand for election to this kind of position? If you're that bothered about having something other than a monarch as the head of state just have a Labrador instead.
Mammasaid said:
Not quite sure it's end of thread, don't remember anyone asking my opinion to be included in that poll. I'd happily see the monarchy wound down to its absolute minimum (potentially wound down completely) and all crown estate land to become managed and accessible to the public. I'm a big supporter of right to roam and crown land would be a good place to start.MesoForm said:
It's the same issue that the likes of Canada and Australia have with replacing the head of state - we've already got a decision making process that seems to run the country OK so if you replace the monarchy with a different head of state the options are:
1) head of state with some power, in which case you need to take decision making powers away from what we already have and all the potential pitfalls that come with that
2) head of state with no power, which is what we have so why bother changing it? Who in their right mind would stand for election to this kind of position? If you're that bothered about having something other than a monarch as the head of state just have a Labrador instead.
Does it need a head of state then? If it wasn't there what difference would it make? Elected PM runs the country.1) head of state with some power, in which case you need to take decision making powers away from what we already have and all the potential pitfalls that come with that
2) head of state with no power, which is what we have so why bother changing it? Who in their right mind would stand for election to this kind of position? If you're that bothered about having something other than a monarch as the head of state just have a Labrador instead.
I think we should have an animal in place. Donkey would be appropriate now.
Silvanus said:
Mammasaid said:
Not quite sure it's end of thread, don't remember anyone asking my opinion to be included in that poll. I'd happily see the monarchy wound down to its absolute minimum (potentially wound down completely) and all crown estate land to become managed and accessible to the public. I'm a big supporter of right to roam and crown land would be a good place to start.MesoForm said:
It's the same issue that the likes of Canada and Australia have with replacing the head of state - we've already got a decision making process that seems to run the country OK so if you replace the monarchy with a different head of state the options are:
1) head of state with some power, in which case you need to take decision making powers away from what we already have and all the potential pitfalls that come with that
2) head of state with no power, which is what we have so why bother changing it? Who in their right mind would stand for election to this kind of position? If you're that bothered about having something other than a monarch as the head of state just have a Labrador instead.
3) No head of state. 1) head of state with some power, in which case you need to take decision making powers away from what we already have and all the potential pitfalls that come with that
2) head of state with no power, which is what we have so why bother changing it? Who in their right mind would stand for election to this kind of position? If you're that bothered about having something other than a monarch as the head of state just have a Labrador instead.
Admittedly I haven't given this a great deal of thought, but I don't see why we need one. Just make it the PM.
I'd happily see the back of the monarchy.
Tom8 said:
Following the King's Speech yesterday, news coverage seemed to laud the heritage and the "pomp" of the occasion.
To me the monarchy is largely irrelevant in real terms in modern society. Yes royal approval is given, opening and closing of parliament etc but no actual involvement in the politics. Is it time to bin all this off now? Almost a bit embarrassing really and no doubt extremely expensive too, an additional cost we really don't need.
Is there support for any form of monarchy these days?
yes, love the royal family.To me the monarchy is largely irrelevant in real terms in modern society. Yes royal approval is given, opening and closing of parliament etc but no actual involvement in the politics. Is it time to bin all this off now? Almost a bit embarrassing really and no doubt extremely expensive too, an additional cost we really don't need.
Is there support for any form of monarchy these days?
Lotobear said:
sugerbear said:
More the question of why we need all the spongers / welfare claimants that make up the Royal family and why they have the ability to avoid taxes that their subjects are subjected to.
To be fair that's not too far removed from the 'privileges' our elected reps enjoyZarco said:
Lotobear said:
sugerbear said:
More the question of why we need all the spongers / welfare claimants that make up the Royal family and why they have the ability to avoid taxes that their subjects are subjected to.
To be fair that's not too far removed from the 'privileges' our elected reps enjoyI'm no fan of the RF (an anachronism) but when I look at our cohort of elected encumbents and air apparents I just think, oh well, so what
Zarco said:
MesoForm said:
It's the same issue that the likes of Canada and Australia have with replacing the head of state - we've already got a decision making process that seems to run the country OK so if you replace the monarchy with a different head of state the options are:
1) head of state with some power, in which case you need to take decision making powers away from what we already have and all the potential pitfalls that come with that
2) head of state with no power, which is what we have so why bother changing it? Who in their right mind would stand for election to this kind of position? If you're that bothered about having something other than a monarch as the head of state just have a Labrador instead.
3) No head of state. 1) head of state with some power, in which case you need to take decision making powers away from what we already have and all the potential pitfalls that come with that
2) head of state with no power, which is what we have so why bother changing it? Who in their right mind would stand for election to this kind of position? If you're that bothered about having something other than a monarch as the head of state just have a Labrador instead.
Admittedly I haven't given this a great deal of thought, but I don't see why we need one. Just make it the PM.
I'd happily see the back of the monarchy.
phil-sti said:
yes, love the royal family.
Seconded. They bring a lot of money and goodwill to the country whereas an elected President would be nothing but additional cost with no benefit. Those that think the Royal Family spend all day swanning around with hot and cold running servants to deal with their every whim need to look at Me Me as this is what she thought, but when she found out that there is actual work she was off like a scalded cat. The Queen was working up to just before she died, would any of you want this for your granny or mother?Aware that I'm posting on a thread about it, but I can't see what motivates people to feel so strongly about this subject.
If the Monarchy were abandoned today, our lives would not be improved tomorrow.
There are far more risks in dismantling it than there are upsides.
As I see it, it's just part of our fabric as a nation. Maybe it will be gone in 50 years and our fabric will be different.
But for now, I just don't see the point of strong republicanism.
If the Monarchy were abandoned today, our lives would not be improved tomorrow.
There are far more risks in dismantling it than there are upsides.
As I see it, it's just part of our fabric as a nation. Maybe it will be gone in 50 years and our fabric will be different.
But for now, I just don't see the point of strong republicanism.
Find me a country that doesn't have a ruling elite sponging off the state?
If we get rid of the Monarchy, they will be replaced with the same difference. But we will have stupidity lost pomp and ceremony that is one of our strengths and makes so many people very proud to be British. We are world renowned for it, and long may it continue.
So lefty nutters who are hell bent on destruction of our history...bog off.
If we get rid of the Monarchy, they will be replaced with the same difference. But we will have stupidity lost pomp and ceremony that is one of our strengths and makes so many people very proud to be British. We are world renowned for it, and long may it continue.
So lefty nutters who are hell bent on destruction of our history...bog off.
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