The colour of hats in Christmas advert can causes offence

The colour of hats in Christmas advert can causes offence

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Puddenchucker

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4,460 posts

225 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67294809

"M&S has apologised after being accused of posting an Instagram photo of Christmas party hats in the colours of the Palestinian flag on fire."


Al Gorithum

4,204 posts

215 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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Definitely racist against Italians biglaugh


bitchstewie

55,206 posts

217 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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That is utterly bonkers.

Boom78

1,327 posts

55 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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Im offended for wales, Mexico, Hungary and Bulgaria also.

Whole thing is crazy, it’s a bit of a leap to think they’re offending Palestine!

C5_Steve

4,856 posts

110 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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I didn't see the ad before it was pulled, but knowing the reason it was pulled before seeing it made it jump out at me as soon as I saw it. Would I have thought that before someone told me why it was pulled? Doubt it.

Clearly wasn't created with that in mind but given current events and the media climate it makes sense to not make a stand and just pull it. It's not the only criticisms their xmas campaign has come in for after all.

Biggy Stardust

7,068 posts

51 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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motco

16,230 posts

253 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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Boom78 said:
Im offended for wales, Mexico, Hungary and Bulgaria also.

Whole thing is crazy, it’s a bit of a leap to think they’re offending Palestine!
The founders were Jews, perhaps that's the reasoning?

Randy Winkman

17,778 posts

196 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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Biggy Stardust said:
Unless I'm mistaken, all that's happened is that one photo has been deleted from Instagram. Seems reasonable to me.

bennno

12,754 posts

276 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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Randy Winkman said:
Unless I'm mistaken, all that's happened is that one photo has been deleted from Instagram. Seems reasonable to me.
No, look at Twitter.

The ad contained people melting santas grotto, burning Christmas hats, shredding decorations, burning Christmas cards, smashing a toy elve with a baseball bat. Renamed it from Christmas to Thismas. Standard non straight, non white family etc etc

But somebody then noticed the colours of the hats burned had started to offend a certain subset of the population, so they apologised.

At the same time many said it was entirely offensive to Christians but where is our apology - all round f*ck up in how not to do things.

Eric Mc

122,861 posts

272 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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Al Gorithum said:
Definitely racist against Italians biglaugh
If I was a Mexican I'd be upset too.

bitchstewie

55,206 posts

217 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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Quite liking their advert thumbup

I know they still want you to buy their stuff but there's way too much pressure on people at Christmas without specific guilt trips if you can't afford their "these aren't just any" Pigs in Blankets or whatever.

captain_cynic

13,380 posts

102 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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bennno said:
No, look at Twitter.
There's your problem.

Twitter is a cesspit and the opposite of tolerance.

This is straight out of the "how do you get publicity you can't even pay for, for free" playbook.

1. Create ad that easily passes OfCom censors.
2. Create social media "outrage" over something innocuous (originator likely works for the advertising firm).
3. Now everyone is talking about your client.
4. Client issues pre written apology admitting no guilt.
5. Ad is replaced with a different ad they just happened to have ready to go. Amazing they just happened to have one ready to go because there are no refunds on a media buy.
6 advertising firm profits.

Meanwhile everyone is talking about M&S... Especially those who get hot and bothered about "Woke".

bitchstewie

55,206 posts

217 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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You think getting themselves on the front page of most news sites for apologising over the Christmas hats on the fire thing was some sort of deliberate plan?

Really?

Biggy Stardust

7,068 posts

51 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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captain_cynic said:
Twitter is a cesspit and the opposite of tolerance.
100% right.

Wills2

24,421 posts

182 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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Randy Winkman said:
Biggy Stardust said:
Unless I'm mistaken, all that's happened is that one photo has been deleted from Instagram. Seems reasonable to me.
Well at least we know who Dostoevsky was talking about when he mentioned imbeciles.



captain_cynic

13,380 posts

102 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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bhstewie said:
You think getting themselves on the front page of most news sites for apologising over the Christmas hats on the fire thing was some sort of deliberate plan?

Really?
I know enough advertisers... Sorry, corporate communications experts.. to know it is.

Front page on every paper is coverage you literally can't buy.

Easy way to tell is of the m&s stop their ad campaign. If it gets replaced, it was planned. It takes weeks to make an TV ad of that complexity. Things like an ad for the American Superbowl can be started months in advance.

bitchstewie

55,206 posts

217 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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But they haven't stopped or changed it have they?

They've pulled one Instagram post with a still in it that was taken from some ad footage.

It's not like they've said "oh here's a whole new advert" unless I've misunderstood.

Biggy Stardust

7,068 posts

51 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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Wills2 said:
Well at least we know who Dostoevsky was talking about when he mentioned imbeciles.
Who's that, exactly?

JuanCarlosFandango

8,306 posts

78 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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Is this just whipped up "offence" to get publicity?

E63eeeeee...

4,554 posts

56 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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Biggy Stardust said:
Fake quote https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fyodor-dostoevsk... and obviously nonsense. Who's going to ban people from thinking ffs?