Predatory behaviour in the Red Arrows

Predatory behaviour in the Red Arrows

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bitchstewie

Original Poster:

54,511 posts

216 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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Another inquiry and another grim set of findings.

Red Arrows: Predatory behaviour widespread and normalised - RAF

Slowboathome

4,460 posts

50 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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There's already a thread on this.

pequod

8,997 posts

144 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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Oh Stewie, you're not jealous that the RA 'Top Guns' attract the females, are you?

'Predatory', I somehow doubt, they don't need to try that hard.

bitchstewie

Original Poster:

54,511 posts

216 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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pequod said:
Oh Stewie, you're not jealous that the RA 'Top Guns' attract the females, are you?

'Predatory', I somehow doubt, they don't need to try that hard.
Seriously?

"unwanted physical contact, unwanted text messages of a sexual nature, unwanted invitations to engage in sexual activity and "male sexual entitlement" towards women, who were "being viewed as 'property' of either individuals or the squadron""

Behave.

Fluid

1,740 posts

191 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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pequod said:
Oh Stewie, you're not jealous that the RA 'Top Guns' attract the females, are you?

'Predatory', I somehow doubt, they don't need to try that hard.
Read the reports and them come back and comment. Your reply will say a lot about what sort of person you are.

Hereward

4,331 posts

236 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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Cringe. They probably think life is like the Top Gun bar scene. Just shut them down. I'd rather watch a single Typhoon being chucked around the sky any day.

119

8,975 posts

42 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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bhstewie said:
pequod said:
Oh Stewie, you're not jealous that the RA 'Top Guns' attract the females, are you?

'Predatory', I somehow doubt, they don't need to try that hard.
Seriously?

"unwanted physical contact, unwanted text messages of a sexual nature, unwanted invitations to engage in sexual activity and "male sexual entitlement" towards women, who were "being viewed as 'property' of either individuals or the squadron""

Behave.
You missed this bit...

"A separate military police investigation concluded that none of the allegations highlighted between 2017 and 2021 met the threshold for criminal charges."

bitchstewie

Original Poster:

54,511 posts

216 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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And?

Is any behaviour acceptable however bad it is so long as it isn't literally criminal?

pequod

8,997 posts

144 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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bitchstewie

Original Poster:

54,511 posts

216 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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Your moral compass really is messed up isn't it.

pequod

8,997 posts

144 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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bhstewie said:
Your moral compass really is messed up isn't it.
I don't think so, but you clearly have another opinion, which is your right.

Silvanus

5,837 posts

29 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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bhstewie said:
Your moral compass really is messed up isn't it.

JuanCarlosFandango

8,167 posts

77 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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Crikey, elite air display pilots have a macho culture and a cavalier attitude to women. I am shocked.

Silvanus

5,837 posts

29 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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JuanCarlosFandango said:
Crikey, elite air display pilots have a macho culture and a cavalier attitude to women. I am shocked.
It's unsurprising that it's the case, however that doesn't make it ok.

Rivenink

3,936 posts

112 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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OutInTheShed

8,889 posts

32 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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JuanCarlosFandango said:
Crikey, elite air display pilots have a macho culture and a cavalier attitude to women. I am shocked.
Probably just an act because they haven't come out yet.

JuanCarlosFandango

8,167 posts

77 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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Silvanus said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Crikey, elite air display pilots have a macho culture and a cavalier attitude to women. I am shocked.
It's unsurprising that it's the case, however that doesn't make it ok.
OK for who? To do what?

Fast and Spurious

1,511 posts

94 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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JuanCarlosFandango said:
Silvanus said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Crikey, elite air display pilots have a macho culture and a cavalier attitude to women. I am shocked.
It's unsurprising that it's the case, however that doesn't make it ok.
OK for who? To do what?

djc206

12,616 posts

131 months

Wednesday 1st November 2023
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pequod said:
Oh Stewie, you're not jealous that the RA 'Top Guns' attract the females, are you?

'Predatory', I somehow doubt, they don't need to try that hard.
I think you’ll find the people most attracted to their skills would be middle aged aerosexuals not young women.

Clearly they do, and fail at it.

DeejRC

6,330 posts

88 months

Thursday 2nd November 2023
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Take fighter jocks, add in the test pilot mentality and throw in an encouragement to show boat, et voila!
It is a standard rule of thumb to anybody and everybody in the aerospace world that pilots are dicks. Jet pilots are bigger dicks and fast boys not only are the biggest dicks around, they also think they are the biggest swinging dicks around. Display and test pilots are simply show boating glory boys on top of fast dicks. As such, said behaviors are a shock to precisely nobody.
As the world hasn’t managed to stop cavalry officers from being dicks over the last few thousand yrs - even after taking away their horses - then good luck stopping fly boys from being dicks after only 100.
And yep, pilot here.