New Zealand Election Results 2023 - Labour Oot!
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At least some good news to distract from the Middle East.
Labour get a good shoeing in the land of the Kiwi.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-the-nation...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/14/new-...
COVID policies were an election topic as was the cost of living.
Labour get a good shoeing in the land of the Kiwi.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-the-nation...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/14/new-...
COVID policies were an election topic as was the cost of living.
The Mrs went with National. With each visit over the years the place was noticeably disappearing up its own arse with political correctness, getting nothing done, and the cost of living being completely out of control.
Was impressed to see that she could vote from abroad (we’re US based, she’s an NZ citizen) online. Which got me thinking about how such a system would be literally impossible in the US given the lunacy of its political climate.
Was impressed to see that she could vote from abroad (we’re US based, she’s an NZ citizen) online. Which got me thinking about how such a system would be literally impossible in the US given the lunacy of its political climate.
dvs_dave said:
The Mrs went with National. With each visit over the years the place was noticeably disappearing up its own arse with political correctness, getting nothing done, and the cost of living being completely out of control.
Was impressed to see that she could vote from abroad (we’re US based, she’s an NZ citizen) online. Which got me thinking about how such a system would be literally impossible in the US given the lunacy of its political climate.
Talking of lunancy…if you’re based in the US why should your wife be able to vote? There is something wrong with electoral systems where non residents, who aren’t affected, get to vote but resident non citizens don’t get the vote even though they are impacted by what governments do.Was impressed to see that she could vote from abroad (we’re US based, she’s an NZ citizen) online. Which got me thinking about how such a system would be literally impossible in the US given the lunacy of its political climate.
Having recently left NZ there are a lot of problems but I very much doubt National will be able to tackle them. Too many vested interests (mostly of those who likely vote National).
Skeptisk said:
Talking of lunancy…if you’re based in the US why should your wife be able to vote? There is something wrong with electoral systems where non residents, who aren’t affected, get to vote but resident non citizens don’t get the vote even though they are impacted by what governments do.
Broadly speaking.....Unless you've fully renationalised to another nation, you'll retain your national insurance (or equivalent) ID and be afforded the support and protection of your home country wherever you are. You will have made financial contributions to your home state previously so are entitled to a say in how those contributions are managed. You remain a citizen of your home country so are entitled to a vote. The reverse is the case for resident non-citizens who have not earned the right to have vote in their host nation by virtue of them not renationalising. If a person feels strongly enough to want a say in how the country in which they reside is run, they must rescind their natural nationality and become a citizen of the country in which they reside.
StevieBee said:
Broadly speaking.....Unless you've fully renationalised to another nation, you'll retain your national insurance (or equivalent) ID and be afforded the support and protection of your home country wherever you are. You will have made financial contributions to your home state previously so are entitled to a say in how those contributions are managed. You remain a citizen of your home country so are entitled to a vote.
The reverse is the case for resident non-citizens who have not earned the right to have vote in their host nation by virtue of them not renationalising. If a person feels strongly enough to want a say in how the country in which they reside is run, they must rescind their natural nationality and become a citizen of the country in which they reside.
An excellent explanation.The reverse is the case for resident non-citizens who have not earned the right to have vote in their host nation by virtue of them not renationalising. If a person feels strongly enough to want a say in how the country in which they reside is run, they must rescind their natural nationality and become a citizen of the country in which they reside.
Some need to read this and then comment.
StevieBee said:
Broadly speaking.....Unless you've fully renationalised to another nation, you'll retain your national insurance (or equivalent) ID and be afforded the support and protection of your home country wherever you are. You will have made financial contributions to your home state previously so are entitled to a say in how those contributions are managed. You remain a citizen of your home country so are entitled to a vote.
The reverse is the case for resident non-citizens who have not earned the right to have vote in their host nation by virtue of them not renationalising. If a person feels strongly enough to want a say in how the country in which they reside is run, they must rescind their natural nationality and become a citizen of the country in which they reside.
An excellent explanation.The reverse is the case for resident non-citizens who have not earned the right to have vote in their host nation by virtue of them not renationalising. If a person feels strongly enough to want a say in how the country in which they reside is run, they must rescind their natural nationality and become a citizen of the country in which they reside.
Some need to read this and then comment.
dukeboy749r said:
StevieBee said:
Broadly speaking.....Unless you've fully renationalised to another nation, you'll retain your national insurance (or equivalent) ID and be afforded the support and protection of your home country wherever you are. You will have made financial contributions to your home state previously so are entitled to a say in how those contributions are managed. You remain a citizen of your home country so are entitled to a vote.
The reverse is the case for resident non-citizens who have not earned the right to have vote in their host nation by virtue of them not renationalising. If a person feels strongly enough to want a say in how the country in which they reside is run, they must rescind their natural nationality and become a citizen of the country in which they reside.
An excellent explanation.The reverse is the case for resident non-citizens who have not earned the right to have vote in their host nation by virtue of them not renationalising. If a person feels strongly enough to want a say in how the country in which they reside is run, they must rescind their natural nationality and become a citizen of the country in which they reside.
I have dual nationality and can vote in UK and Italian elections BTW.
dukeboy749r said:
StevieBee said:
Broadly speaking.....Unless you've fully renationalised to another nation, you'll retain your national insurance (or equivalent) ID and be afforded the support and protection of your home country wherever you are. You will have made financial contributions to your home state previously so are entitled to a say in how those contributions are managed. You remain a citizen of your home country so are entitled to a vote.
The reverse is the case for resident non-citizens who have not earned the right to have vote in their host nation by virtue of them not renationalising. If a person feels strongly enough to want a say in how the country in which they reside is run, they must rescind their natural nationality and become a citizen of the country in which they reside.
An excellent explanation.The reverse is the case for resident non-citizens who have not earned the right to have vote in their host nation by virtue of them not renationalising. If a person feels strongly enough to want a say in how the country in which they reside is run, they must rescind their natural nationality and become a citizen of the country in which they reside.
Some need to read this and then comment.
Last time I went back to Oz I was given a letter telling me my license has been suspended for failing to vote in a state election. The license I'd swapped for a UK one years earlier. To be fair it was easy to sort out as I just had to show I'd moved out of the state.
JagLover said:
Lockdown, and in particular its consequences, much less popular than first appeared.
Whilst those who fundamentally undermined freedoms in the West whilst syphoning cash off to their friends and almost bankrupting their own counties for years to come remain out of jail, I won't be happy.Skeptisk said:
Talking of lunancy…if you’re based in the US why should your wife be able to vote? There is something wrong with electoral systems where non residents, who aren’t affected, get to vote but resident non citizens don’t get the vote even though they are impacted by what governments do.
Having recently left NZ there are a lot of problems but I very much doubt National will be able to tackle them. Too many vested interests (mostly of those who likely vote National).
Because she is still a New Zealander.Having recently left NZ there are a lot of problems but I very much doubt National will be able to tackle them. Too many vested interests (mostly of those who likely vote National).
Skeptisk said:
Talking of lunancy…if you’re based in the US why should your wife be able to vote? There is something wrong with electoral systems where non residents, who aren’t affected, get to vote but resident non citizens don’t get the vote even though they are impacted by what governments do.
Having recently left NZ there are a lot of problems but I very much doubt National will be able to tackle them. Too many vested interests (mostly of those who likely vote National).
Seriously? Because she’s a NZ citizen. NZ allows absentee voting, as does the UK, as does the US, as do most other places. Did you really not know this?Having recently left NZ there are a lot of problems but I very much doubt National will be able to tackle them. Too many vested interests (mostly of those who likely vote National).
StevieBee said:
Skeptisk said:
Talking of lunancy…if you’re based in the US why should your wife be able to vote? There is something wrong with electoral systems where non residents, who aren’t affected, get to vote but resident non citizens don’t get the vote even though they are impacted by what governments do.
Broadly speaking.....Unless you've fully renationalised to another nation, you'll retain your national insurance (or equivalent) ID and be afforded the support and protection of your home country wherever you are. You will have made financial contributions to your home state previously so are entitled to a say in how those contributions are managed. You remain a citizen of your home country so are entitled to a vote. The reverse is the case for resident non-citizens who have not earned the right to have vote in their host nation by virtue of them not renationalising. If a person feels strongly enough to want a say in how the country in which they reside is run, they must rescind their natural nationality and become a citizen of the country in which they reside.
It is much more relevant to me what the government where I am currently living and paying taxes does with that money than the taxes I paid in the U.K. in the past, which has already been spent.
Your comments about swapping nationalities is a bad joke. After 15 years in Switzerland we still didn’t manage it despite applying as soon as possible and where we are now, despite having learned the language already we will have to wait another eight years before we can apply.
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