Labour Conference
Discussion
This is it for Labour, the moment they can try and convince us they are fit and ready for government. I think it is inconvenient for them as silence and sitting on the side-lines was working well for them, allowing the tories' ineptitude give them an easy ride in.
With so much voter apathy now, what will labour offer to convince enough of us to give them a majority?
So far today, some overtime for doctors and an overhaul of planning laws. Hardly inspiring stuff.
I think (a bit like the tories) the greatest opposition will come from within and infighting could distract from some key ideas, although again, distraction from the main event may be beneficial. Even today stories of the unions and the front bench holding very different views.
With so much voter apathy now, what will labour offer to convince enough of us to give them a majority?
So far today, some overtime for doctors and an overhaul of planning laws. Hardly inspiring stuff.
I think (a bit like the tories) the greatest opposition will come from within and infighting could distract from some key ideas, although again, distraction from the main event may be beneficial. Even today stories of the unions and the front bench holding very different views.
Edited by Tom8 on Monday 9th October 11:56
Sir Keir Starmer is, in my opinion, following the Ming Vase Strategy. He's carrying the vase across a stone floor and all he has to do is not drop it.
If the party has any sense, they'll espouse some positive sounding, vaguely leftish policies but with little detail. They'll try to sound and act like sensible adults.
Whether they can manage to do that will soon be seen. If they do, I reckon SKS will breathe a huge sigh of relief later on tomorrow.
If the party has any sense, they'll espouse some positive sounding, vaguely leftish policies but with little detail. They'll try to sound and act like sensible adults.
Whether they can manage to do that will soon be seen. If they do, I reckon SKS will breathe a huge sigh of relief later on tomorrow.
Hants PHer said:
Sir Keir Starmer is, in my opinion, following the Ming Vase Strategy. He's carrying the vase across a stone floor and all he has to do is not drop it.
If the party has any sense, they'll espouse some positive sounding, vaguely leftish policies but with little detail. They'll try to sound and act like sensible adults.
Whether they can manage to do that will soon be seen. If they do, I reckon SKS will breathe a huge sigh of relief later on tomorrow.
Thing is, that'll only get him so far in my opinion. Being not-the-Tories has got them way ahead in the polls and may still result in an election win, but as we get closer him and his shadow cabinet will face increasingly more frequent interviews about policy. Starmer will have to ensure none of them "pull a Dianne" which if you look at the utter dross on his frontbench is wishful thinking. If the party has any sense, they'll espouse some positive sounding, vaguely leftish policies but with little detail. They'll try to sound and act like sensible adults.
Whether they can manage to do that will soon be seen. If they do, I reckon SKS will breathe a huge sigh of relief later on tomorrow.
We could literally come down to a choice of who has cocked up the least by December 24.
DaveCWK said:
I'd like to see what they have to say about Palestine/Israel. A real test of their character right now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67048707They stand with Israel. Would be very dissappointing if there were any palestine flags at the conference
Scrub that. Flags outside conference..
...and over 300 MP's signed a declaration of solidarity with Israel. Those who didnt???
Starmer, rayner, mcdonnel and a few others incouding Lib Dems.
Edited by williamp on Monday 9th October 13:13
Why do events abroad always have to be a banana skin for the labour party?
Thinking up sadistic violent quotes to appear shoulder to shoulder is not a good look unless you are eager to appear like a puppet.
No doubt there is a vast army of supposed labour supporters following the rest around till they make a comment which can be twisted.
You would think mossad going on their holidays was planned or they spent all the money infiltrating every other nation and forgot about their own one.
Thinking up sadistic violent quotes to appear shoulder to shoulder is not a good look unless you are eager to appear like a puppet.
No doubt there is a vast army of supposed labour supporters following the rest around till they make a comment which can be twisted.
You would think mossad going on their holidays was planned or they spent all the money infiltrating every other nation and forgot about their own one.
Hants PHer said:
Sir Keir Starmer is, in my opinion, following the Ming Vase Strategy. He's carrying the vase across a stone floor and all he has to do is not drop it.
If the party has any sense, they'll espouse some positive sounding, vaguely leftish policies but with little detail. They'll try to sound and act like sensible adults.
Whether they can manage to do that will soon be seen. If they do, I reckon SKS will breathe a huge sigh of relief later on tomorrow.
I think the Israel/Palestine situation is a doubled edged sword for Labour in this respect, as it's that story that is dominating the headlines. This means that the Labour conference will be comparatively ignored - minimising the downside of any gaffes but blunting the impact of any policy announcements. If the party has any sense, they'll espouse some positive sounding, vaguely leftish policies but with little detail. They'll try to sound and act like sensible adults.
Whether they can manage to do that will soon be seen. If they do, I reckon SKS will breathe a huge sigh of relief later on tomorrow.
Cobracc said:
Terminator X said:
They've lost my vote, bringing back the death of ICE 
TX.
Who was stopping the death of ICE..?TX.
XCP said:
Nobody votes on the basis of party conferences.
They don't normally but as this may be the last one before the next election in what could be a tumultuous election on so many levels then it becomes far more relevant. For Labour they have to convince people they are competent and can be trusted. For many voters they need to consider if this is the case or not. Tankrizzo said:
Hants PHer said:
Sir Keir Starmer is, in my opinion, following the Ming Vase Strategy. He's carrying the vase across a stone floor and all he has to do is not drop it.
If the party has any sense, they'll espouse some positive sounding, vaguely leftish policies but with little detail. They'll try to sound and act like sensible adults.
Whether they can manage to do that will soon be seen. If they do, I reckon SKS will breathe a huge sigh of relief later on tomorrow.
Thing is, that'll only get him so far in my opinion. Being not-the-Tories has got them way ahead in the polls and may still result in an election win, but as we get closer him and his shadow cabinet will face increasingly more frequent interviews about policy. Starmer will have to ensure none of them "pull a Dianne" which if you look at the utter dross on his frontbench is wishful thinking. If the party has any sense, they'll espouse some positive sounding, vaguely leftish policies but with little detail. They'll try to sound and act like sensible adults.
Whether they can manage to do that will soon be seen. If they do, I reckon SKS will breathe a huge sigh of relief later on tomorrow.
We could literally come down to a choice of who has cocked up the least by December 24.
I genuinely think that if SKS can avoid own goals by him or his front benchers over the next 12 months they'll win with a majority. As you say, how he manages the dross around him will be critical.
and the quicker he is sacked the better.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff