Girl, 15, killed on way to school in South London

[Welcome.]

London is a lovely place to visit they keep saying.

And the BBC even have a dedicated section to London violence.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66935...

"We need intervention, we need stuff for the kids, they've got no guidance."

Maybe try at home first?

[bitchstewie]

From the news reports it sounds like some little prick couldn't handle being rejected.

[Glassman]

Welcome. said:

London is a lovely place to visit they keep saying.

Many parts of London are st holes, like most cities. Other parts are what they're referring to.

HTH

[Electro1980]

Welcome. said:

London is a lovely place to visit they keep saying.

London is 600sq miles and a city of 9million people. Lord knows who would encourage anyone to visit Croydon.

Welcome. said:

"We need intervention, we need stuff for the kids, they've got no guidance."

Maybe try at home first?

And if parents don’t? Or they do and the child needs more support? Mental health services are in crisis, children’s services have been cut and cut. Pastoral care in schools has been cut. Clubs, activities and places for children, especially older children, has been cut and cut.

[Welcome.]

Electro1980 said:

Welcome. said:

London is a lovely place to visit they keep saying.

London is 600sq miles and a city of 9million people. Lord knows who would encourage anyone to visit Croydon.

Welcome. said:

"We need intervention, we need stuff for the kids, they've got no guidance."

Maybe try at home first?

And if parents don’t? Or they do and the child needs more support? Mental health services are in crisis, children’s services have been cut and cut. Pastoral care in schools has been cut. Clubs, activities and places for children, especially older children, has been cut and cut.

Oh i agree, something has to give though surely? How many more?

I mean, what other city has its own crime page on the main news website

It's out of control and it needs stamping on. Hard.

[mac96]

Glassman said:

Welcome. said:

London is a lovely place to visit they keep saying.

Many parts of London are st holes, like most cities. Other parts are what they're referring to.

HTH

https://crimerate.co.uk/violence-sexual-offences

According to this, no part of London figures in the UK top 10 most violent towns and cities, and most of the top 10 least violent are parts of London.

Doesn't mean London does not have bad areas but the idea that London is a great sea of violence is unfounded.

[Gecko1978]

Electro1980 said:

Welcome. said:

London is a lovely place to visit they keep saying.

London is 600sq miles and a city of 9million people. Lord knows who would encourage anyone to visit Croydon.

Welcome. said:

"We need intervention, we need stuff for the kids, they've got no guidance."

Maybe try at home first?

And if parents don’t? Or they do and the child needs more support? Mental health services are in crisis, children’s services have been cut and cut. Pastoral care in schools has been cut. Clubs, activities and places for children, especially older children, has been cut and cut.

So parents are allowed to not bother, who should provide these things.....wait let me guess the tax payers whonodds are won't be the mum an dad.

Accountability is lacking in society top to bottom

[Drclarke]

At least the Mayor has spent £185,000,000 on rolling out ULEZ instead of law and order.

[Fermit]

Welcome. said:

Oh i agree, something has to give though surely? How many more?

I mean, what other city has its own crime page on the main news website

It's out of control and it needs stamping on. Hard.

I agree very much too, knife crime in the UK has become so widespread that even the US are now using at as a retort whenever their gun abundance is raised. There, IMO, needs to be a knife amnesty, much like there was with guns, after Dunblane, when circa 43,000 guns left the population.

Whatever critics scream in protest, stop and search needs increasing. Anyone found harbouring a knife with out good reason (EG just purchased, in plastic casing with receipt) needs a mandatory prison (or young offenders) sentence IMO. It needs to be understood that you're in REALLY serious trouble if you found with a blade. I can't for the life of me comprehend how a seventeen year old boy can leave the house with what has been described as a machete type knife. I can't imagine ever getting away with such as a kid.

Lets hope the little bd is bought to book, and is given a befitting sentence.

[croyde]

I was brought up around Croydon and spent my 20s there too.

I don't like what it has become.

But saying that, the poor girl was a pupil at Old Palace School, a girls only private school.

So not the more usual inner city comp situation

Not that those are any less tragic.

[Fermit]

Drclarke said:

At least the Mayor has spent £185,000,000 on rolling out ULEZ instead of law and order.

Isn't that true. What a tosser the man is.

[ChunkyloverSV]

Drclarke said:

At least the Mayor has spent £185,000,000 on rolling out ULEZ instead of law and order.

Rest assured your last breaths following your fatal stabbing will be clean air free from Carbon Dioxide.

[croyde]

According to the radio, Sadiq is heart broken.

What a wker, it's his job to look after Londoners, keep us all safe yet he spunks money up the wall in order to fleece motorists.

[Ian Geary]

Fermit said:

I agree very much too, knife crime in the UK has become so widespread that even the US are now using at as a retort whenever their gun abundance is raised. There, IMO, needs to be a knife amnesty, much like there was with guns, after Dunblane, when circa 43,000 guns left the population.

Whatever critics scream in protest, stop and search needs increasing. Anyone found harbouring a knife with out good reason (EG just purchased, in plastic casing with receipt) needs a mandatory prison (or young offenders) sentence IMO. It needs to be understood that you're in REALLY serious trouble if you found with a blade. I can't for the life of me comprehend how a seventeen year old boy can leave the house with what has been described as a machete type knife. I can't imagine ever getting away with such as a kid.

Lets hope the little bd is bought to book, and is given a befitting sentence.

I agree, but two points:

Youths carrying knives is the symptom. What is the cause? That is the issue that needs fixing really.

It costs £225k pa to keep kids in youth detention (according to a recent guardian article). What a waste - over X10 the fee for Old Palace School.


A 17yo was arrested this morning. The police aren't looking for anyone else, so hopefully the CPS are selecting a suitably heavy book to throw at him. (though the judicial system can only throw what Parliament have put on the shelves...)

[valiant]

Fermit said:

I agree very much too, knife crime in the UK has become so widespread that even the US are now using at as a retort whenever their gun abundance is raised. There, IMO, needs to be a knife amnesty, much like there was with guns, after Dunblane, when circa 43,000 guns left the population.

Whatever critics scream in protest, stop and search needs increasing. Anyone found harbouring a knife with out good reason (EG just purchased, in plastic casing with receipt) needs a mandatory prison (or young offenders) sentence IMO. It needs to be understood that you're in REALLY serious trouble if you found with a blade. I can't for the life of me comprehend how a seventeen year old boy can leave the house with what has been described as a machete type knife. I can't imagine ever getting away with such as a kid.

Lets hope the little bd is bought to book, and is given a befitting sentence.

All that’s been done with little effect.

Knives are simple to get hold of and can even be delivered to your front door. I remember knife bins outside police stations where no questions would be asked when dropped off and it hasn’t changed much at all.

You can’t send them to prison as the justice system has basically fallen over let alone having enough prison space.

You need to solve it before some kid feels the need to pick up such a weapon which means investing heavily in social and youth services to try and identify and target potential kids who may fall into a kind of lifestyle where carrying a knife is seen as normal.

[philv]

Ian Geary said:

I agree, but two points:

Youths carrying knives is the symptom. What is the cause? That is the issue that needs fixing really.

It costs £225k pa to keep kids in youth detention (according to a recent guardian article). What a waste - over X10 the fee for Old Palace School.


A 17yo was arrested this morning. The police aren't looking for anyone else, so hopefully the CPS are selecting a suitably heavy book to throw at him. (though the judicial system can only throw what Parliament have put on the shelves...)

He should be put down.
He has demonstrated how cheap life is.
His should be no different.

[Ziplobb]

Fermit said:

There, IMO, needs to be a knife amnesty.

with every drawer in every kitchen in the country having knives in it

[Fermit]

Ziplobb said:

with every drawer in every kitchen in the country having knives in it

Of course, but I know of every knife in our kitchen. If I realised one was missing, and had a teenager, they wouldn't be going anywhere until I searched them.

[Fermit]

valiant said:

Fermit said:

I agree very much too, knife crime in the UK has become so widespread that even the US are now using at as a retort whenever their gun abundance is raised. There, IMO, needs to be a knife amnesty, much like there was with guns, after Dunblane, when circa 43,000 guns left the population.

Whatever critics scream in protest, stop and search needs increasing. Anyone found harbouring a knife with out good reason (EG just purchased, in plastic casing with receipt) needs a mandatory prison (or young offenders) sentence IMO. It needs to be understood that you're in REALLY serious trouble if you found with a blade. I can't for the life of me comprehend how a seventeen year old boy can leave the house with what has been described as a machete type knife. I can't imagine ever getting away with such as a kid.

Lets hope the little bd is bought to book, and is given a befitting sentence.

All that’s been done with little effect.

Knives are simple to get hold of and can even be delivered to your front door. I remember knife bins outside police stations where no questions would be asked when dropped off and it hasn’t changed much at all.

You can’t send them to prison as the justice system has basically fallen over let alone having enough prison space.

You need to solve it before some kid feels the need to pick up such a weapon which means investing heavily in social and youth services to try and identify and target potential kids who may fall into a kind of lifestyle where carrying a knife is seen as normal.

I very much accept that it's a complicated subject, but consider, last year in England and Wales there were 8.7 stop and searches for every 1,000 people – down from 24.8 per 1,000 people in the year ending March 2010. Around a third of where they once were. More needs doing, I'd happily have a Bobby stop and search me any time they wanted to, as long as he was polite and respectful.

[MC Bodge]

Ziplobb said:

Fermit said:

There, IMO, needs to be a knife amnesty.

with every drawer in every kitchen in the country having knives in it

A knife is a tool with many legitimate uses that don't involve injuring things.

A knife isn't an assault rifle.