Canadian Parliament gives SS Veteran Standing Ovation

[bitchstewie]

Literally applauding a Nazi what a mess

Trudeau calls praise for Nazi-linked veteran 'deeply embarrassing'

[Fast and Spurious]

How do you know he is still a Nazi and / or in the SS? Seems highly unlikely at 98....

In fact, was he ever a Nazi?

He's just a 98 year old veteran, fought for the wrong side. Get over it.

Edited by Fast and Spurious on Tuesday 26th September 07:01

[andyA700]

bhstewie said:

Literally applauding a Nazi what a mess

Trudeau calls praise for Nazi-linked veteran 'deeply embarrassing'

They have history for allowing Nazi worship in Canada. They ahould be deeply ashamed of themselves.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/monument-va...

[Electro1980]

Fast and Spurious said:

How do you know he is still a Nazi and / or in the SS? Seems highly unlikely at 98....

In fact, was he ever a Nazi?

He's just a 98 year old veteran, fought for the wrong side. Get over it.

Edited by Fast and Spurious on Tuesday 26th September 07:01

He was in the SS. Do some basic research before making ignorant statements like that. It’s not just “the wrong side.”. It’s the SS. A volunteer group who committed the worst atrocities.

Here, read this for a start:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenad...

[Fast and Spurious]

Electro1980 said:

He was in the SS. Do some basic research before making ignorant statements like that. It’s not just “the wrong side.”. It’s the SS. A volunteer group who committed the worst atrocities.

Here, read this for a start:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenad...

The linked article says no atrocities. ???
But whatever, the war on the Eastern front was brutal. Both sides did bad stuff.
Again, get over it. Or learn about it? Better than having a hissy fit.

[Griffith4ever]

You really do need to research the SS.

[ZedLeg]

It only took 4 minutes for someone to ride in and defend the nazi

[Bathroom_Security]

Griffith4ever said:

You really do need to research the SS.

I think it's you that needs to research the SS.

[tangerine_sedge]

ZedLeg said:

It only took 4 minutes for someone to ride in and defend the nazi

A little slow I thought? They are normally much quicker than that, and they normally arrive en-masse.

[JagLover]

Fast and Spurious said:

The linked article says no atrocities. ???
But whatever, the war on the Eastern front was brutal. Both sides did bad stuff.
Again, get over it. Or learn about it? Better than having a hissy fit.

The article in fact mentions allegations of atrocities against Polish and Slovak civilians. The unit he was in were field soldiers rather than camp guards but the SS has a justifiably bad reputation regardless.

Saying "both sides did bad stuff" does not mean we should be applauding SS members.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Electro1980 said:

A volunteer group who committed the worst atrocities.

Volunteer doesn't mean much when the Nazis take over your country. What was his alternative? Salt mines? Starvation?

Certainly any Russian/Eastern European joining the SS from a prison camp had the option of death by starvation or joining. A bit of a stretch to call them volunteers although they undeniably were.

I very much doubt he had the option of a well fed 9-5 job in a heated VW dealership.

....and they were conscripting into the SS from 1943 onwards so it wasn't volunteer only for the worst stages of the war.

....and the "clean Wehrmacht" idea is a total myth.

Shouldn't be applauding him, but probably should have some sympathy too, he was likely a victim as much as he was a perpetrator.

I'd have zero problem with our great grandparents shooting him out of hand in the face in 1944, but it's a bit rich us having a pop at him 80 years later when we've lived soft lives and never been hungry.

Obvs none of this applies to German SS folk who genuinely were volunteers and genuinely would have been fully into it.

[Griffith4ever]

"Hunka’s Nazi unit are accused of killing Polish and Jewish civilians, and were visited by SS leader Heinrich Himmler in 1944 who said his men would be “eager” to “liquidate the Poles”.

The Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Centre said Mr Rota's remarks ignore “the horrific fact that Hunka served in the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS, a Nazi military unit whose crimes against humanity during the Holocaust are well-documented”.

I'll leave it to the Nazi defenders to look up the "well documented". I'm not wasting my precious time on it.

"they were just on the wrong side". FFS. They tried to exterminate a race of people.

Argue amongst yourselves - this is one thread I'm straight out of.

[LimaDelta]

Fast and Spurious said:

How do you know he is still a Nazi and / or in the SS? Seems highly unlikely at 98....

In fact, was he ever a Nazi?

He's just a 98 year old veteran, fought for the wrong side. Get over it.

I'm sure that would be exactly the attitude were it not a 'progressive' government which made the gaffe.

Imagine the media response if a former SS Nazi was accidentally wheeled out and applauded at a Trump rally!

[BikeBikeBIke]

JagLover said:

does not mean we should be applauding SS members.

That was blatantly a mistake. Some 20yo who barely heard about the detail of WW2 booked him and nobody thought it through until the moment it was happening.

You can see on the face of the speaker when he realized what was likely happening.

[BikeBikeBIke]

LimaDelta said:

I'm sure that would be exactly the attitude were it not a 'progressive' government which made the gaffe.

Imagine the media response if a former SS Nazi was accidentally wheeled out and applauded at a Trump rally!

I'd be saying the same if it was a Trump rally. (Well, I wouldn't be saying it because I couldn't stick the abuse I'd get for "defending" Trump, but I'd be thinking it.)

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Tuesday 26th September 08:30

[glazbagun]

Pretty embarrassing. But also indicitive of the good guys/bad guys view many in the west have of WWII. Or even the view that it was won at all, as my Polish friends like to remind me.

Was any research performed on this guy or did they just hear he was a soldier and thought "thank you for your service"?

[JagLover]

BikeBikeBIke said:

Volunteer doesn't mean much when the Nazis take over your country. What was his alternative? Salt mines? Starvation?

Certainly any Russian/Eastern European joining the SS from a prison camp had the option of death by starvation or joining. A bit of a stretch to call them volunteers although they undeniably were.

I very much doubt he had the option of a well fed 9-5 job in a heated VW dealership.

....and they were conscripting into the SS from 1943 onwards so it wasn't volunteer only for the worst stages of the war.

....and the "clean Wehrmacht" idea is a total myth.

Shouldn't be applauding him, but probably should have some sympathy too, he was likely a victim as much as he was a perpetrator.

I'd have zero problem with our great grandparents shooting him out of hand in the face in 1944, but it's a bit rich us having a pop at him 80 years later when we've lived soft lives and never been hungry.

Obvs none of this applies to German SS folk who genuinely were volunteers and genuinely would have been fully into it.

Yes the "clean Wehrmacht" is a myth, but then they were not applauding a member of the German armed forces in WW2.

I would also agree that many volunteered for German service to avoid POW camps, but it was not necessary to join the SS to do so. Most served as Hiwis and did rear area duties. Someone volunteering to join the SS was likely ideologically motivated to do so.

[Wills2]

Not a great look but at least it was a mistake, unlike Von Braun.



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[SWoll]

glazbagun said:

Pretty embarrassing. But also indicitive of the good guys/bad guys view many in the west have of WWII. Or even the view that it was won at all, as my Polish friends like to remind me.

Was any research performed on this guy or did they just hear he was a soldier and thought "thank you for your service"? Ukranian and thought "here's an opportunity for a group virtue signal with Zelinski in town"?

EFA

[isaldiri]

Wills2 said:

Not a great look but at least it was a mistake, unlike Von Braun.



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Oh von Braun absolutely wasn't a mistake. He was very useful to the US - that far overrode any unpleasant associations he previously had while in Germany.