Troops to backfill police firearms gaps
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What could possibly go wrong?
Chris Kaba: MoD offers military support after armed Met officers turn in weapons https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66906201
Chris Kaba: MoD offers military support after armed Met officers turn in weapons https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66906201
If one of the armed forces shoots someone he’d better be careful as if there is a big enough protest from the family claiming racism, especially if celebrity rappers get involved, he’ll be screwed.
I don’t understand why when the media report it they neglect to mention that kaba drive his car at the officer to try and run him over and that he’d been running round firing a gun the day before. Instead they just print a picture of him smiling and say how he was due to be a father which makes him look like a great guy.
Actually I do understand why they do it, but they shouldn’t. I feel sorry for the poor guy who’s going to be imprisoned for doing his job. Maybe he should’ve just let himself be run over.
If I was armed police I wouldn’t want to do it any more either, I don’t blame them all for handing in their weapons.
I don’t understand why when the media report it they neglect to mention that kaba drive his car at the officer to try and run him over and that he’d been running round firing a gun the day before. Instead they just print a picture of him smiling and say how he was due to be a father which makes him look like a great guy.
Actually I do understand why they do it, but they shouldn’t. I feel sorry for the poor guy who’s going to be imprisoned for doing his job. Maybe he should’ve just let himself be run over.
If I was armed police I wouldn’t want to do it any more either, I don’t blame them all for handing in their weapons.
I don't blame them for handing back their ticket either.
Met average 4,000 incidents per year where FO are summoned, on average weapons discharge twice per year.
I also don't blame neighbouring forces for refusing mutual aid.
Although military will not be used for routine policing, pity the poor soldiers, different training and will be subject to a direct order to comply.
Met average 4,000 incidents per year where FO are summoned, on average weapons discharge twice per year.
I also don't blame neighbouring forces for refusing mutual aid.
Although military will not be used for routine policing, pity the poor soldiers, different training and will be subject to a direct order to comply.
It is absolutely right and proper that this killing should be tried in court.
That 100’s of officers are unwilling to wait for a verdict speaks to me of their faith in the legal system.
If the officer is found not guilty they are going to look mighty stupid for handing in their tickets and if he is found guilty then it would seem like they have saved the force the difficulty of identifying the ‘licensed to kill’ mentality of certain officers who ought not to have been given tickets in the first place.
That 100’s of officers are unwilling to wait for a verdict speaks to me of their faith in the legal system.
If the officer is found not guilty they are going to look mighty stupid for handing in their tickets and if he is found guilty then it would seem like they have saved the force the difficulty of identifying the ‘licensed to kill’ mentality of certain officers who ought not to have been given tickets in the first place.
Rough101 said:
I believe the armed forces support would be restricted to counter terrorism support.
It is, currently limited to specific issues even in that case.Google Operation Plato. Marauding Terrorist Attacks eg London Bridge Attack.
Problem is that in such attacks most casualties occur in first few minutes, which means location and mobility of the military support is crucial at all times.
FiF said:
It is, currently limited to specific issues even in that case.
Google Operation Plato. Marauding Terrorist Attacks eg London Bridge Attack.
Problem is that in such attacks most casualties occur in first few minutes, which means location and mobility of the military support is crucial at all times.
I think they're talking additional counter terror support on top of that such as supporting raids etc although I thought they already did that to some extent.Google Operation Plato. Marauding Terrorist Attacks eg London Bridge Attack.
Problem is that in such attacks most casualties occur in first few minutes, which means location and mobility of the military support is crucial at all times.
Gary C said:
Its difficult
We can't totally remove liability on armed police but surely by providing weapons to our police the most should be gross negligence manslaughter unless it could be show that the officer had intent to kill that person ?
Of course he intended to kill, this is how they're trained to stop.We can't totally remove liability on armed police but surely by providing weapons to our police the most should be gross negligence manslaughter unless it could be show that the officer had intent to kill that person ?
Edited by PositronicRay on Monday 25th September 08:22
Voldemort said:
It is absolutely right and proper that this killing should be tried in court.
That 100’s of officers are unwilling to wait for a verdict speaks to me of their faith in the legal system.
If the officer is found not guilty they are going to look mighty stupid for handing in their tickets and if he is found guilty then it would seem like they have saved the force the difficulty of identifying the ‘licensed to kill’ mentality of certain officers who ought not to have been given tickets in the first place.
Nonsense. You take a job where doing it can lead to your life being turned upside down for years with the threat of a life sentence. All because of some lowlife and his family. That 100’s of officers are unwilling to wait for a verdict speaks to me of their faith in the legal system.
If the officer is found not guilty they are going to look mighty stupid for handing in their tickets and if he is found guilty then it would seem like they have saved the force the difficulty of identifying the ‘licensed to kill’ mentality of certain officers who ought not to have been given tickets in the first place.
Dingu said:
Voldemort said:
It is absolutely right and proper that this killing should be tried in court.
That 100’s of officers are unwilling to wait for a verdict speaks to me of their faith in the legal system.
If the officer is found not guilty they are going to look mighty stupid for handing in their tickets and if he is found guilty then it would seem like they have saved the force the difficulty of identifying the ‘licensed to kill’ mentality of certain officers who ought not to have been given tickets in the first place.
Nonsense. You take a job where doing it can lead to your life being turned upside down for years with the threat of a life sentence. All because of some lowlife and his family. That 100’s of officers are unwilling to wait for a verdict speaks to me of their faith in the legal system.
If the officer is found not guilty they are going to look mighty stupid for handing in their tickets and if he is found guilty then it would seem like they have saved the force the difficulty of identifying the ‘licensed to kill’ mentality of certain officers who ought not to have been given tickets in the first place.
Voldemort said:
It is absolutely right and proper that this killing should be tried in court.
It is right and proper that killings the CPS genuinely believes to be unlawful should be tried in court. Voldemort said:
That 100’s of officers are unwilling to wait for a verdict speaks to me of their faith in the legal system.
If the officer is found not guilty they are going to look mighty stupid for handing in their tickets and if he is found guilty then it would seem like they have saved the force the difficulty of identifying the ‘licensed to kill’ mentality of certain officers who ought not to have been given tickets in the first place.
See above and would you do your job if by acting in accordance with your training you could be jailed for the rest of your life?If the officer is found not guilty they are going to look mighty stupid for handing in their tickets and if he is found guilty then it would seem like they have saved the force the difficulty of identifying the ‘licensed to kill’ mentality of certain officers who ought not to have been given tickets in the first place.
Voldemort said:
It is absolutely right and proper that this killing should be tried in court.
That 100’s of officers are unwilling to wait for a verdict speaks to me of their faith in the legal system.
If the officer is found not guilty they are going to look mighty stupid for handing in their tickets and if he is found guilty then it would seem like they have saved the force the difficulty of identifying the ‘licensed to kill’ mentality of certain officers who ought not to have been given tickets in the first place.
Reading the letter from the senior officer it appears the main issue is that the process can take 4-8 years where your life is ruined for CPS to then say no evidence or found not guilty. That 100’s of officers are unwilling to wait for a verdict speaks to me of their faith in the legal system.
If the officer is found not guilty they are going to look mighty stupid for handing in their tickets and if he is found guilty then it would seem like they have saved the force the difficulty of identifying the ‘licensed to kill’ mentality of certain officers who ought not to have been given tickets in the first place.
As a guess though I’m thinking that those with inside information (other fire arms officers) know that it was a lawful shot and are now in discuss that he has been charged.
Douglas Quaid said:
If one of the armed forces shoots someone he’d better be careful as if there is a big enough protest from the family claiming racism, especially if celebrity rappers get involved, he’ll be screwed.
I don’t understand why when the media report it they neglect to mention that kaba drive his car at the officer to try and run him over and that he’d been running round firing a gun the day before. Instead they just print a picture of him smiling and say how he was due to be a father which makes him look like a great guy.
Actually I do understand why they do it, but they shouldn’t. I feel sorry for the poor guy who’s going to be imprisoned for doing his job. Maybe he should’ve just let himself be run over.
If I was armed police I wouldn’t want to do it any more either, I don’t blame them all for handing in their weapons.
Indeed. When the media report it as "unarmed man killed by police" it generates much more outrage and clicks than the equally (if not more) accurate: "Gang member involved in firearms incident shot after driving at police officers after smashing through police road-block", and the officer then faces a murder trial and life in prison (where he would be a target every day) for doing his job, no wonder his colleagues are thinking "screw this". I absolutely do not blame them.I don’t understand why when the media report it they neglect to mention that kaba drive his car at the officer to try and run him over and that he’d been running round firing a gun the day before. Instead they just print a picture of him smiling and say how he was due to be a father which makes him look like a great guy.
Actually I do understand why they do it, but they shouldn’t. I feel sorry for the poor guy who’s going to be imprisoned for doing his job. Maybe he should’ve just let himself be run over.
If I was armed police I wouldn’t want to do it any more either, I don’t blame them all for handing in their weapons.
Yes there needs to be accountability, but it absolutely needs to be free of political influence, and not be influenced by whether scumbags might riot if they do not get the verdict they require.
ecsrobin said:
Voldemort said:
It is absolutely right and proper that this killing should be tried in court.
That 100’s of officers are unwilling to wait for a verdict speaks to me of their faith in the legal system.
If the officer is found not guilty they are going to look mighty stupid for handing in their tickets and if he is found guilty then it would seem like they have saved the force the difficulty of identifying the ‘licensed to kill’ mentality of certain officers who ought not to have been given tickets in the first place.
Reading the letter from the senior officer it appears the main issue is that the process can take 4-8 years where your life is ruined for CPS to then say no evidence or found not guilty. That 100’s of officers are unwilling to wait for a verdict speaks to me of their faith in the legal system.
If the officer is found not guilty they are going to look mighty stupid for handing in their tickets and if he is found guilty then it would seem like they have saved the force the difficulty of identifying the ‘licensed to kill’ mentality of certain officers who ought not to have been given tickets in the first place.
As a guess though I’m thinking that those with inside information (other fire arms officers) know that it was a lawful shot and are now in discuss that he has been charged.
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