Shoplifting - now with added HIV

[ChemicalChaos]

It appears the current shoplifting crime epidemic has stepped up a gear as the crims are now using all manner of spicy implements to deter staff from intervening...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12521727/...


Given this and the recent controversy of the throttled shoplifter, maybe staff need to be equipped with cattle prods?

[Trash_panda]

Won't be long until the Amazon fresh(?) Shops become more common place.

Can see it happening first in the more deprived areas of America where the chain stores have shut up shop and as a guinea pig before spreading more commercially. I know there's AF shops dotted here and there in the major cities in the UK but its not widespread.

[sjc]

Because this goverment,and most before them are utterly clueless when it comes to what effect burglary, shoplifting,car theft ( 30,000 unsolved car thefts in London alone last year... let than sink in) knife crime and drugs has on ordinary decent people.These scum have to be off the streets permanently,not given 3rd/4th 27th chances to" turn their life around"and "he realises the error of his ways etc etc"
We've become completely spineless,I'd vote for anyone who had the balls to chuck away the key rather than bringing out another "initiative" that does fk all other than sound good to the pen pusher who came up with it.
Something has to give, and it shouldn't be decent hardworking people.

[Earthdweller]

Nothing new there, addicts have been using syringes as weapons since addicts and syringes got together

[Rivenink]

Key question to be asked:

Why wasn't Post-Exposure Prophylaxis (PEP) offered to the affected staff after the incidents. It can be effective if taken up to 48/72 hours after a potential infection event - sooner the better. This isn't a new treatment and is widely availible.

[croyde]

I think if I were on minimum wage/zero hours, the last thing I'd do would be to risk harm to myself to save the supermarket's profits.

Considering they are ripping all of us off so blatantly, is it a surprise that shoplifting is on the increase.

Just popping down to Tescos in my big coat now.

[Not-The-Messiah]

Surely as soon as they used a weapon it becomes more Armed robbery or aggravated theft and the police could actually do something and send these people to prison. But they still won't because it's to much like hard work and the prisons are full.

[LastPoster]

croyde said:

Considering they are ripping all of us off so blatantly, is it a surprise that shoplifting is on the increase.

My uncle closed his corner shop over 25 years ago as he just couldn't make a profit due to all the theft

What excuse can you give for then?

[anonymous-user]

croyde said:

I think if I were on minimum wage/zero hours, the last thing I'd do would be to risk harm to myself to save the supermarket's profits.

I was in Aldi recently and I heard a woman shouting. I turned around and a woman in a pram was surrounded by two Aldi employees and a security guard who were pulling a load of bags of chocolate bars out of her pram.

The weird thing was, the SIA registered security guard was watching as the two normal members of staff were arguing with the woman and reclaiming the chocolates. Firstly I am sure it is illegal for them to search her, and secondly I am sure Aldi would not want their staff having this sort of interaction with shoplifters.

The lady was claiming she was innocent and she bought them elsewhere, but barged her way out of the shop once they had retrieved all the chocolates.

Personally if I was on near minimum wage for a massive multi billion pound revenue company I would not give a crap or want to get involved.

[Gareth79]

I'm going to call absolute bullst on this one, it would have been news already even for a single case (at least within medical journals/reports), let alone three at a single retailer.

The main reason it's BS is that anybody knowingly with HIV would be on treatment that makes it almost impossible to transmit the virus.

[Rivenink]

LastPoster said:

croyde said:

Considering they are ripping all of us off so blatantly, is it a surprise that shoplifting is on the increase.

My uncle closed his corner shop over 25 years ago as he just couldn't make a profit due to all the theft

What excuse can you give for then?

There is no excuse for it.

When you zoom out and look at it from a societal level, there common reasons behind why people make the choices they do.
Individual people are unique, but they do follow common patterns. There are common patterns behind people who shop lift. It's the Politicians' job, mostly Government, to weave the patterns.

The patterns woven by the Tory Governments of the last 13 years has led us to this. Ever more wealth for the very wealthiest, while the rest of us deal with a collapsing society.

[Dog Star]

I reckon we are >|< this close to the next step in all this crazy town st - that’s going to be scrotes just barging into your house - while you are in it or not - and helping themselves. What are 99% of folk going to do? Nothing. What are the police going to do? Nothing.

We’ve ended up with a huge underclass for who actions have zero likely consequences, and even if they do suffer the consequences, they’re so slight as to be meaningless. Meanwhile the middle classes that they are plundering and terrorising cannot retaliate from fear of consequence and police who cannot protect them for fear of the same or incompetence. It’s insane.

I really think we are in a sort of pre-anarchy endgame here.

[Mr Pointy]

Gareth79 said:

I'm going to call absolute bullst on this one, it would have been news already even for a single case (at least within medical journals/reports), let alone three at a single retailer.

The main reason it's BS is that anybody knowingly with HIV would be on treatment that makes it almost impossible to transmit the virus.

Yes, me too. It would have been widely reported & the victims would have received post-exposure treatment - and the lawyers would be persuing massive compensation claims for failing to keep employees safe - at least the second & third ones.

[Rivenink]

Gareth79 said:

I'm going to call absolute bullst on this one, it would have been news already even for a single case (at least within medical journals/reports), let alone three at a single retailer.

The main reason it's BS is that anybody knowingly with HIV would be on treatment that makes it almost impossible to transmit the virus.

I struggle to understand how anyone, having been attacked by a needle, would not have been treated with PEP immediately after.

In a venn diagram of people with access to needles/syringes, people who'd have undiagnosed and/or untreated HIV, and people who'd shoplift, you'd see "drug addicts" right in the middle intersection.

[Dog Star]

MrBogSmith said:

You can't arrest your way out of the current macro-economic situation.

Poverty creates crime.

You what? Yeah. All those people tooling round in Golf Rs and AMGs with no apparent employment, all those gangs stealing Range Rovers. Poverty. Ok.

[LastPoster]

Rivenink said:

LastPoster said:

croyde said:

Considering they are ripping all of us off so blatantly, is it a surprise that shoplifting is on the increase.

My uncle closed his corner shop over 25 years ago as he just couldn't make a profit due to all the theft

What excuse can you give for then?

There is no excuse for it.

When you zoom out and look at it from a societal level, there common reasons behind why people make the choices they do.
Individual people are unique, but they do follow common patterns. There are common patterns behind people who shop lift. It's the Politicians' job, mostly Government, to weave the patterns.

The patterns woven by the Tory Governments of the last 13 years has led us to this. Ever more wealth for the very wealthiest, while the rest of us deal with a collapsing society.

I edited a bit too far. The justification Croyde gave was high supermarket profits. Debatable about profits anyway, but stealing from companies that make a profit isn't somehow justifiable. The thieves don't give a fig about if a business is making a profit

[Rivenink]

Dog Star said:

I reckon we are >|< this close to the next step in all this crazy town st - that’s going to be scrotes just barging into your house - while you are in it or not - and helping themselves. What are 99% of folk going to do? Nothing. What are the police going to do? Nothing.

We’ve ended up with a huge underclass for who actions have zero likely consequences, and even if they do suffer the consequences, they’re so slight as to be meaningless. Meanwhile the middle classes that they are plundering and terrorising cannot retaliate from fear of consequence and police who cannot protect them for fear of the same or incompetence. It’s insane.

I really think we are in a sort of pre-anarchy endgame here.

And the very wealthiest are immune to it all, and continue to take more than their fair share of new wealth.

The solution is to re-balance the distrubtion of future wealth so that no-one is in the underclass.

No doubt the gammon faced reactionaries will be along in no time with accusations about communism.

[SlimJim16v]

MrBogSmith said:

You can't arrest your way out of the current macro-economic situation.

Poverty creates crime.

Lack of policing and consequences creates and increases crime. This is what we are seeing now. Emboldened criminals blatantly breaking the law.

[Rivenink]

Dog Star said:

MrBogSmith said:

You can't arrest your way out of the current macro-economic situation.

Poverty creates crime.

You what? Yeah. All those people tooling round in Golf Rs and AMGs with no apparent employment, all those gangs stealing Range Rovers. Poverty. Ok.

Yes. They are the criminals. They exist because they are exploiting poverty. Remove poverty, and these parasites have nothing to feed on.

[Trash_panda]

Joey Deacon said:

I was in Aldi recently and I heard a woman shouting. I turned around and a woman in a pram was surrounded by two Aldi employees and a security guard who were pulling a load of bags of chocolate bars out of her pram.

The weird thing was, the SIA registered security guard was watching as the two normal members of staff were arguing with the woman and reclaiming the chocolates. Firstly I am sure it is illegal for them to search her, and secondly I am sure Aldi would not want their staff having this sort of interaction with shoplifters.

The lady was claiming she was innocent and she bought them elsewhere, but barged her way out of the shop once they had retrieved all the chocolates.

Personally if I was on near minimum wage for a massive multi billion pound revenue company I would not give a crap or want to get involved.

They have to wait until they leave the shop for it to be theft before they can act/do something. Obviously they can follow about the store but can't do much as you might just be 'storing' it hidden until the checkout.

Would have thought this would have been posted as well
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66790...