Attitude to work?
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This sums up todays attitude to going to work? Short term absence at NATs causes major chaos. People don’t have the same commitment these days to turn up for work and management are hopeless at planning for contingency. Same in the NHS.
Country going down the pan and a lot of people no longer care.
2.5m on sick leave !
Seems sick leave is now seen as part of your holiday entitlement for a lot of workers
U.K. has highest percentage of people with a disability in Europe 21%!
Add in those still working from home where business across the world is now realising those workers are not as productive
Productivity and growth will never radically improve in the U.K. as we are basically a basket case.
That means poorer services in the future not better. Nothing Governments can really do except scratch around the edges as it’s become embedded in our way of life
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/14/fl...
https://oaktreemobility.co.uk/help-and-advice/heal...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/benjaminlaker/2023/08...
Country going down the pan and a lot of people no longer care.
2.5m on sick leave !
Seems sick leave is now seen as part of your holiday entitlement for a lot of workers
U.K. has highest percentage of people with a disability in Europe 21%!
Add in those still working from home where business across the world is now realising those workers are not as productive
Productivity and growth will never radically improve in the U.K. as we are basically a basket case.
That means poorer services in the future not better. Nothing Governments can really do except scratch around the edges as it’s become embedded in our way of life
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/14/fl...
https://oaktreemobility.co.uk/help-and-advice/heal...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/benjaminlaker/2023/08...
KarlMac said:
Maybe after a couple of decades of eroding living standards, growth in wealth inequality and being treated like a disposable asset workers are reconsidering their priorities?
Exactly. Leaving the office and walking past the CEO's car which cost more than you could afford to pay for a house, while wracking your brain to work out how long you dare turn the heating on this evening, eventually make you realise that someone's taking the piss.People have finally woken up and started to align their work ethic with their employer's pay ethic. Pay people just enough not to starve and they'll do just enough not to get fired.
KarlMac said:
Maybe after a couple of decades of eroding living standards, growth in wealth inequality and being treated like a disposable asset workers are reconsidering their priorities?
This - it isn't unusual for someone a few years into their career in say 2007ish to be earning 40k per year in a professional job, but probaby not management and if so likely a low level team lead manager back then who is now in a "head of" role in 2023 role earning, say £65-70k but if you take inflation out they've had zero payrise.
Sure it is perhaps a simplistic way to look at it, and sure there will be some outliers who climbed further in their careers but there will be plenty of normal people who didn't "progress" into management and they'll have had a real terms pay cut: see below £40k today, in the professions I see data on is a middle of road job, certainly not entry level, however back in 2007 £25k was basically entry level/1 year experience.
It doesn't surpise me people's attiutudes have changed - you work to get paid, to provide a lifestyle, but in real terms many are getting less than they started on or close to it a decades ago.
Caveat - I see data for professional take home salaries for various types of jobs - HR, Marketing, IT, Finance, Sales and am using my memory on what these positions used to get paid 20 years ago so could be slightly off.
EmailAddress said:
Well done. You've ticked all the boxes for billionaire bingo there.
More like "I'm a serf and are upset that everyone else isn't"Like others, employees are now showing the kind of commitment and loyalty that employers have been showing them for 20+ years.
Continual erosion of living standards and low to no increases in pay and I'm surprised that some lock tugging peon has the brass neck to tell us we're ungrateful.
MitchT said:
KarlMac said:
Maybe after a couple of decades of eroding living standards, growth in wealth inequality and being treated like a disposable asset workers are reconsidering their priorities?
Exactly. Leaving the office and walking past the CEO's car which cost more than you could afford to pay for a house, while wracking your brain to work out how long you dare turn the heating on this evening, eventually make you realise that someone's taking the piss.People have finally woken up and started to align their work ethic with their employer's pay ethic. Pay people just enough not to starve and they'll do just enough not to get fired.
Tom8 said:
Or woken up and realised they should have tried harder at school.
Tried harder... that a very odd way of saying "born into the old boys club".That's the kind of myth people who never had to try hard because their daddy got them a job in middle management where they just had to blame others for their failures for long enough that they could be promoted into senior management like to sell to people who aren't smart enough to know better.
Seen plenty of smart people who did very well as school abused by their employers whilst those with no talent got promoted for brown nosing.
MitchT said:
KarlMac said:
Maybe after a couple of decades of eroding living standards, growth in wealth inequality and being treated like a disposable asset workers are reconsidering their priorities?
Exactly. Leaving the office and walking past the CEO's car which cost more than you could afford to pay for a house, while wracking your brain to work out how long you dare turn the heating on this evening, eventually make you realise that someone's taking the piss.People have finally woken up and started to align their work ethic with their employer's pay ethic. Pay people just enough not to starve and they'll do just enough not to get fired.
An the people rolling in a Bentley wearing a watch that's 3 months of your take home and going to dinners on expenses your training tells you is not allowed, they wonder why you suddenly don't feel like working till you drop
captain_cynic said:
Tom8 said:
Or woken up and realised they should have tried harder at school.
Tried harder... that a very odd way of saying "born into the old boys club".That's the kind of myth people who never had to try hard because their daddy got them a job in middle management where they just had to blame others for their failures for long enough that they could be promoted into senior management like to sell to people who aren't smart enough to know better.
Seen plenty of smart people who did very well as school abused by their employers whilst those with no talent got promoted for brown nosing.
tes who are highly adept at brownnosing and liked by the right people. They do nothing of any value whatsoever.How did I know OP was gonna declare the government helpless on this one. 
Wait till it’s Labour in charge and it will be something they can easily solve I’m sure.
ETA: surely you were too hard at work to write the post? Everyone knows people who don’t start till 9 is a massive dosser and to be successful you need to start at 4am, take no breaks, finish at 1am and go uphill both ways on the commute.
Wait till it’s Labour in charge and it will be something they can easily solve I’m sure.
ETA: surely you were too hard at work to write the post? Everyone knows people who don’t start till 9 is a massive dosser and to be successful you need to start at 4am, take no breaks, finish at 1am and go uphill both ways on the commute.
Edited by Dingu on Friday 15th September 09:47
Why wouldn't you be disgruntled if you're in the middle?. - Those above you unaffected by the rise in the cost of living whether their by hard work or nepo babies like the previous comment alluded to. Or those supposedly below you, but with similar housing, possibly a newer car & more money due to the bennies from their 'fibromyalgia' etc etc so they're not affected by the cost of living / erosion of wages either!?!.
captain_cynic said:
Tom8 said:
Or woken up and realised they should have tried harder at school.
Tried harder... that a very odd way of saying "born into the old boys club".That's the kind of myth people who never had to try hard because their daddy got them a job in middle management where they just had to blame others for their failures for long enough that they could be promoted into senior management like to sell to people who aren't smart enough to know better.
Seen plenty of smart people who did very well as school abused by their employers whilst those with no talent got promoted for brown nosing.
Employees are treated like crap.
CEO/Executive pay has outpaced most workers pay by a huge factor over the last few decades.
Inflation of house prices and basic costs of living have massively outpaced the modest growth in most workers pay.
I'm lucky enough to not be in a position where this is an issue for me personally, but I can completely see why companies get very little effort from their lower paid staff. In real terms (purchasing power) the jobs they are being asked to do are paid 1/2 to a 1/3 of what they used to.
CEO/Executive pay has outpaced most workers pay by a huge factor over the last few decades.
Inflation of house prices and basic costs of living have massively outpaced the modest growth in most workers pay.
I'm lucky enough to not be in a position where this is an issue for me personally, but I can completely see why companies get very little effort from their lower paid staff. In real terms (purchasing power) the jobs they are being asked to do are paid 1/2 to a 1/3 of what they used to.
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