Germany has suspends migrants deal

[Oliver Hardy]

Germany has suspends a voluntary deal to take in migrants arriving in Italy, with France returning migrants and I believe stepping up boarder patrols, Sweden no longer so welcoming where does this leave Italy?

https://www.ft.com/content/435c6b91-99d3-4407-a710...

I guess Keir Sarmer will be over next year offering a deal.

[Murph7355]

The Dublin agreement's working really well

Germany and others taking in from Italy was not a solution. It did not address route causes.

Maybe they should set up processing centres in Italy? And where are their legal routes?? Brexit racist murderous bds

[Jockman]

Murph7355 said:

The Dublin agreement's working really well

Germany and others taking in from Italy was not a solution. It did not address route causes.

Maybe they should set up processing centres in Italy? And where are their legal routes?? Brexit racist murderous bds

Did you mean route or root causes murph?

[Murph7355]

Jockman said:

Murph7355 said:

The Dublin agreement's working really well

Germany and others taking in from Italy was not a solution. It did not address route causes.

Maybe they should set up processing centres in Italy? And where are their legal routes?? Brexit racist murderous bds

Did you mean route or root causes murph?

Freudian slip

[Silvanus]

Oliver Hardy said:

Germany has suspends a voluntary deal to take in migrants arriving in Italy, with France returning migrants and I believe stepping up boarder patrols, Sweden no longer so welcoming where does this leave Italy?

https://www.ft.com/content/435c6b91-99d3-4407-a710...

I guess Keir Sarmer will be over next year offering a deal.

Why even mention Kier Starmer? Especially considering you spelt his name wrong

[Oliver Hardy]

Silvanus said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Germany has suspends a voluntary deal to take in migrants arriving in Italy, with France returning migrants and I believe stepping up boarder patrols, Sweden no longer so welcoming where does this leave Italy?

https://www.ft.com/content/435c6b91-99d3-4407-a710...

I guess Keir Sarmer will be over next year offering a deal.

Why even mention Kier Starmer? Especially considering you spelt his name wrong

So I did spell his name wrong, you still knew who I meant.

Why mention him, because isn't he pinning his hopes on the EU to help him in the UKs migrent problem, yet the EU countries are not helping out other eU countries.

[oddman]

Oliver Hardy said:

Silvanus said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Germany has suspends a voluntary deal to take in migrants arriving in Italy, with France returning migrants and I believe stepping up boarder patrols, Sweden no longer so welcoming where does this leave Italy?

https://www.ft.com/content/435c6b91-99d3-4407-a710...

I guess Keir Sarmer will be over next year offering a deal.

Why even mention Kier Starmer? Especially considering you spelt his name wrong

So I did spell his name wrong, you still knew who I meant.

Why mention him, because isn't he pinning his hopes on the EU to help him in the UKs migrent problem, yet the EU countries are not helping out other eU countries.

You spelt his name right as it happens

[Dingu]

Oliver Hardy said:

Silvanus said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Germany has suspends a voluntary deal to take in migrants arriving in Italy, with France returning migrants and I believe stepping up boarder patrols, Sweden no longer so welcoming where does this leave Italy?

https://www.ft.com/content/435c6b91-99d3-4407-a710...

I guess Keir Sarmer will be over next year offering a deal.

Why even mention Kier Starmer? Especially considering you spelt his name wrong

So I did spell his name wrong, you still knew who I meant.

Why mention him, because isn't he pinning his hopes on the EU to help him in the UKs migrent problem, yet the EU countries are not helping out other eU countries.

You’re right, it’s totally in hand currently. Nothing to see here. Etc etc.

[Octoposse]

Dingu said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Silvanus said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Germany has suspends a voluntary deal to take in migrants arriving in Italy, with France returning migrants and I believe stepping up boarder patrols, Sweden no longer so welcoming where does this leave Italy?

https://www.ft.com/content/435c6b91-99d3-4407-a710...

I guess Keir Sarmer will be over next year offering a deal.

Why even mention Kier Starmer? Especially considering you spelt his name wrong

So I did spell his name wrong, you still knew who I meant.

Why mention him, because isn't he pinning his hopes on the EU to help him in the UKs migrent problem, yet the EU countries are not helping out other eU countries.

You’re right, it’s totally in hand currently. Nothing to see here. Etc etc.

Given that the “go it alone” job that the current “take back control” government is doing may well be considered to fall somewhat short of the grade of spiffing . . . Starmer’s view that a cooperative pan-European effort might be the way forward seems uncontroversial?

[Murph7355]

Octoposse said:

Given that the “go it alone” job that the current “take back control” government is doing may well be considered to fall somewhat short of the grade of spiffing . . . Starmer’s view that a cooperative pan-European effort might be the way forward seems uncontroversial?

EU arrangements aren't even working/agreeable between member states. And we know how they are with third party countries (their ball, their game. Am cool with that).

So neither approach works, demonstrably so.

What might be better, on a cooperation front, is to join hands across all member states and impacted third parties and take it to the UN....

What is currently being tried, both here and in the EU, is sticking plaster politics.

[Vanden Saab]

Murph7355 said:

Octoposse said:

Given that the “go it alone” job that the current “take back control” government is doing may well be considered to fall somewhat short of the grade of spiffing . . . Starmer’s view that a cooperative pan-European effort might be the way forward seems uncontroversial?

EU arrangements aren't even working/agreeable between member states. And we know how they are with third party countries (their ball, their game. Am cool with that).

So neither approach works, demonstrably so.

What might be better, on a cooperation front, is to join hands across all member states and impacted third parties and take it to the UN....

What is currently being tried, both here and in the EU, is sticking plaster politics.

We are going to take our fair share and return those who come illegally to the EU, just like Germany and the rest of the EU do.... Oh wait... It was rather unfortunate this coming up the same day Keith announced his immigration policy. As you say no current policy besides the Australian approach seems to work. Until there is a worldwide policy to return people to their home countries and support them there, there will always be people willing to make money from their desire to move.

[Mrr T]

Vanden Saab said:

Murph7355 said:

Octoposse said:

Given that the “go it alone” job that the current “take back control” government is doing may well be considered to fall somewhat short of the grade of spiffing . . . Starmer’s view that a cooperative pan-European effort might be the way forward seems uncontroversial?

EU arrangements aren't even working/agreeable between member states. And we know how they are with third party countries (their ball, their game. Am cool with that).

So neither approach works, demonstrably so.

What might be better, on a cooperation front, is to join hands across all member states and impacted third parties and take it to the UN....

What is currently being tried, both here and in the EU, is sticking plaster politics.

We are going to take our fair share and return those who come illegally to the EU, just like Germany and the rest of the EU do.... Oh wait... It was rather unfortunate this coming up the same day Keith announced his immigration policy. As you say no current policy besides the Australian approach seems to work. Until there is a worldwide policy to return people to their home countries and support them there, there will always be people willing to make money from their desire to move.

Rather depends which Australia policy you mean. The policy to off shore processing and still not allow those who where granted asylum entry. Did not work. The policy of paying countries to stop boats together with increased naval patrols to stop and turn back boats in international waters. Did work. However, not a solution for the UK.

[Tom8]

Problem is no one (at least in government) will admit that there are people with genuine claims and those just invading to improve their lot. Like welfare, there are just claims and wholly unjust claims.

Then you have the race issue, everyone afraid to say "send them back to where they came" as this links to the unsavoury phrases of the past. Authorities are therefore crippled by their own language and rhetoric.

The excuse is "people trafficking gangs" How many have been caught or prosecuted in the UK or France? There must be so many of them as so many are crossing? Fish in a barrel? Do they exist? Do you need to pay someone to get you over the channel or can you buy a dingy for a few quid and do it yourself?

[Zarco]

oddman said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Silvanus said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Germany has suspends a voluntary deal to take in migrants arriving in Italy, with France returning migrants and I believe stepping up boarder patrols, Sweden no longer so welcoming where does this leave Italy?

https://www.ft.com/content/435c6b91-99d3-4407-a710...

I guess Keir Sarmer will be over next year offering a deal.

Why even mention Kier Starmer? Especially considering you spelt his name wrong

So I did spell his name wrong, you still knew who I meant.

Why mention him, because isn't he pinning his hopes on the EU to help him in the UKs migrent problem, yet the EU countries are not helping out other eU countries.

You spelt his name right as it happens

At least he didn't call him Keith.

[biggbn]

Silvanus said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Germany has suspends a voluntary deal to take in migrants arriving in Italy, with France returning migrants and I believe stepping up boarder patrols, Sweden no longer so welcoming where does this leave Italy?

https://www.ft.com/content/435c6b91-99d3-4407-a710...

I guess Keir Sarmer will be over next year offering a deal.

Why even mention Kier Starmer? Especially considering you spelt his name wrong

Think his name is Keir isn't it? Certainly the way it is reported everywhere.

Edit, for clarity that is an enquiry, not a smartarse comment

[Ian Geary]

Murph7355 said:

EU arrangements aren't even working/agreeable between member states. And we know how they are with third party countries (their ball, their game. Am cool with that).

So neither approach works, demonstrably so.

What might be better, on a cooperation front, is to join hands across all member states and impacted third parties and take it to the UN....

What is currently being tried, both here and in the EU, is sticking plaster politics.

(Genuine question not a passive-aggressive dig)

Does the UN have any ability and will to deal with this, if the EU & UK took a case there?

We've got a UN judge saying the UK's £18 trillion (ie 12 zeros) debt is not enough.

I find it hard to believe the UN would be sympathetic to a few rich, (mostly) white European countries complaining that a load of poor, (mostly) black people what to come and earn a share of that wealth.

I could well imagine the UN ordering the EU to put on extra ferries.

China and Russia would love to stick their oar in as well, for shots and giggles. The USA has its own immigration and race issues, so would probably keep quiet.


I don't know what the solution is (on the basis were not Australia) but I don't think the UN has the answer unfortunately.

Ian

[Tom8]

Ian Geary said:

Murph7355 said:

EU arrangements aren't even working/agreeable between member states. And we know how they are with third party countries (their ball, their game. Am cool with that).

So neither approach works, demonstrably so.

What might be better, on a cooperation front, is to join hands across all member states and impacted third parties and take it to the UN....

What is currently being tried, both here and in the EU, is sticking plaster politics.

(Genuine question not a passive-aggressive dig)

Does the UN have any ability and will to deal with this, if the EU & UK took a case there?

We've got a UN judge saying the UK's £18 trillion (ie 12 zeros) debt is not enough.

I find it hard to believe the UN would be sympathetic to a few rich, (mostly) white European countries complaining that a load of poor, (mostly) black people what to come and earn a share of that wealth.

I could well imagine the UN ordering the EU to put on extra ferries.

China and Russia would love to stick their oar in as well, for shots and giggles. The USA has its own immigration and race issues, so would probably keep quiet.


I don't know what the solution is (on the basis were not Australia) but I don't think the UN has the answer unfortunately.

Ian

Makes me wonder I paid 50 quid or whatever for a passport. Why bother?