Laura Kuenssberg: State of Chaos
Discussion
Interesting viewing last night. Few thoughts.
1. Remembering the mess and chaos. Even now watching bits it puts a knot in my stomach remembering the total paralysis. In some ways I hate politicians but in others very much admire them.
2. Compromise leads to failure? Theresa May had best intentions but completely misread the room and just didn't see the feeling being displayed inside and outside of government.
3. Brexit had backers and opponents in all parties. I know a government is elected to lead but I just can't understand why, knowing what a contentious issue this is, they didn't make it a cross party process and so take some of the political point scoring out of it.
4. What a horrible b
d Steve Baker is. You really wouldn't want him on your side.
5. The process typified a lot of the problems with modern politics. The people, like Kuenssberg herself become the story.
6. The political divid between what you believe in and doing something in which you don't believe even when it is your job.
7. Not sure if it is editing but one of the travesties of Brexit was the silence of the Labour party and their refusal to mobilise. Corbyn as a Brexit voter was more of disaster here than even in his own party. Had Ed Miliband still been there is would probably have been a different outcome.
8. Are referenda a good form of governing? Who knows but it does expose the difference between the people and their politicians.
9. I did enjoy Geoffrey Cox and his speeches lambasting everyone.
10. And surprise surprise, yes Boris was a liar from the start.
Interesting programme, look forward to next one.
1. Remembering the mess and chaos. Even now watching bits it puts a knot in my stomach remembering the total paralysis. In some ways I hate politicians but in others very much admire them.
2. Compromise leads to failure? Theresa May had best intentions but completely misread the room and just didn't see the feeling being displayed inside and outside of government.
3. Brexit had backers and opponents in all parties. I know a government is elected to lead but I just can't understand why, knowing what a contentious issue this is, they didn't make it a cross party process and so take some of the political point scoring out of it.
4. What a horrible b
d Steve Baker is. You really wouldn't want him on your side.5. The process typified a lot of the problems with modern politics. The people, like Kuenssberg herself become the story.
6. The political divid between what you believe in and doing something in which you don't believe even when it is your job.
7. Not sure if it is editing but one of the travesties of Brexit was the silence of the Labour party and their refusal to mobilise. Corbyn as a Brexit voter was more of disaster here than even in his own party. Had Ed Miliband still been there is would probably have been a different outcome.
8. Are referenda a good form of governing? Who knows but it does expose the difference between the people and their politicians.
9. I did enjoy Geoffrey Cox and his speeches lambasting everyone.
10. And surprise surprise, yes Boris was a liar from the start.
Interesting programme, look forward to next one.
tangerine_sedge said:
It was interesting watching, and some of the details had been forgotten, but I can't help but feel that by using 'talking heads' there's an opportunity for people to attempt to rewrite history slightly and present some of their actions in a better light.
It was ever thus. Churchill was a great leader, and to prove it, look at the history books. They are either written by him or the authors know who not to criticise. All history is wrong. All any of us can to is read/listen to as much as we can, and then come to our own, equally incorrect, conclusions.Reading Telegraph today, it seems the program ruffled a few feathers.
If civil servants were ‘in tears’ over Brexit, they should have been out of a job
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/09/12/...
I've not watched the program... But in general, I thought the BBC gave far too much airtime to people like Farage on Question Time and other programmes leading up to the Referendum. The Cult of Brexit is a pack of lies and broken promises; Kuenssberg (and other BBC journalists) were complicit by failing to challenge the Brexit narrative during interviews and commentary.
If civil servants were ‘in tears’ over Brexit, they should have been out of a job
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/09/12/...
I've not watched the program... But in general, I thought the BBC gave far too much airtime to people like Farage on Question Time and other programmes leading up to the Referendum. The Cult of Brexit is a pack of lies and broken promises; Kuenssberg (and other BBC journalists) were complicit by failing to challenge the Brexit narrative during interviews and commentary.
poo at Paul's said:
No idea what any of this is about! Link?
Series 1: 1. May/Johnsonhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001qgwt/lau...
Just watched the opening 5 minutes and I'm already annoyed. :-D I'm getting old and grumpy.
redback911 said:
Reading Telegraph today, it seems the program ruffled a few feathers.
If civil servants were ‘in tears’ over Brexit, they should have been out of a job
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/09/12/...
I've not watched the program... But in general, I thought the BBC gave far too much airtime to people like Farage on Question Time and other programmes leading up to the Referendum. The Cult of Brexit is a pack of lies and broken promises; Kuenssberg (and other BBC journalists) were complicit by failing to challenge the Brexit narrative during interviews and commentary.
It is also interesting by who is not there on the programme, May herself, Corbyn, Gove, and of course Berkow who always wants to be heard. Would be interesting to hear from the likes of David Gauke too. Does dilute slightly.If civil servants were ‘in tears’ over Brexit, they should have been out of a job
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/09/12/...
I've not watched the program... But in general, I thought the BBC gave far too much airtime to people like Farage on Question Time and other programmes leading up to the Referendum. The Cult of Brexit is a pack of lies and broken promises; Kuenssberg (and other BBC journalists) were complicit by failing to challenge the Brexit narrative during interviews and commentary.
redback911 said:
Reading Telegraph today, it seems the program ruffled a few feathers.
If civil servants were ‘in tears’ over Brexit, they should have been out of a job
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/09/12/...
I've not watched the program... But in general, I thought the BBC gave far too much airtime to people like Farage on Question Time and other programmes leading up to the Referendum. The Cult of Brexit is a pack of lies and broken promises; Kuenssberg (and other BBC journalists) were complicit by failing to challenge the Brexit narrative during interviews and commentary.
Might have guessed the DT would pick up on that.If civil servants were ‘in tears’ over Brexit, they should have been out of a job
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/09/12/...
I've not watched the program... But in general, I thought the BBC gave far too much airtime to people like Farage on Question Time and other programmes leading up to the Referendum. The Cult of Brexit is a pack of lies and broken promises; Kuenssberg (and other BBC journalists) were complicit by failing to challenge the Brexit narrative during interviews and commentary.
As a Whitehall civil servant of 39 years in one of the departments most affected by Brexit I did wonder who the heck the civil servants "in tears" were. I was in the office the next day (in those days there was little work from home compared to now) and people were a bit shocked but "in tears"? Didn't see anyone anywhere near that.
Haven't seen the programme yet but read the BBC's publicity announcement for the show. Seemed like a brave decision for a state broadcaster that has to observe political neutrality (becoz it's the right thing to do, becoz it is a prerequisite for credibility, etc., etc., ...) to run a series of documentaries like this in the run up to a general election. This is exactly the sort of thing journalists should be doing, of course, but it's somewhat dangerous water for the BBC. Good on them for doing it. Hope they've made the editorial quality water tight so that no one tries to slip of the hook by squealing about bias.
Randy Winkman said:
redback911 said:
Reading Telegraph today, it seems the program ruffled a few feathers.
If civil servants were ‘in tears’ over Brexit, they should have been out of a job
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/09/12/...
I've not watched the program... But in general, I thought the BBC gave far too much airtime to people like Farage on Question Time and other programmes leading up to the Referendum. The Cult of Brexit is a pack of lies and broken promises; Kuenssberg (and other BBC journalists) were complicit by failing to challenge the Brexit narrative during interviews and commentary.
Might have guessed the DT would pick up on that.If civil servants were ‘in tears’ over Brexit, they should have been out of a job
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/09/12/...
I've not watched the program... But in general, I thought the BBC gave far too much airtime to people like Farage on Question Time and other programmes leading up to the Referendum. The Cult of Brexit is a pack of lies and broken promises; Kuenssberg (and other BBC journalists) were complicit by failing to challenge the Brexit narrative during interviews and commentary.
As a Whitehall civil servant of 39 years in one of the departments most affected by Brexit I did wonder who the heck the civil servants "in tears" were. I was in the office the next day (in those days there was little work from home compared to now) and people were a bit shocked but "in tears"? Didn't see anyone anywhere near that.
Sir H Appleby said:
Describing the atmosphere in the Foreign Office after the vote, Lord McDonald said: “The main feeling in the Foreign Office building was of mourning.
“People were in tears. People were in shock”
He added: “On this occasion, this solitary occasion I decided to tell my colleagues and therefore let ministers know that I voted to remain in the European Union.
Which obviously got things off to a good start.“People were in tears. People were in shock”
He added: “On this occasion, this solitary occasion I decided to tell my colleagues and therefore let ministers know that I voted to remain in the European Union.
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