Politically what do you actually want?
Discussion
We have a lot of threads with people saying OMFG will you look what Labour / Tories / SNP / UKIP have done now. But what do people actually want.
I will start off.
1) low tax for all not just big corps or super rich
2) linked with the above the ability to claim deductions for all I relation to work. If your job is a 30 min train ride away an rhats the sole reason for the journey claim it like MPs do.
3) rule of law that protects people's health wealth and provides public safety but doesn't criminalise protesting peacefully (as long as it doesn't harm others), prevent strike action, or prevent people legally living as they wish I.e. if your trans be a women not a man vice versa.
4) Health system that promotes public health, exercise, diet etc first and treatment after that (going to gym won't help if you have cancer of course so it's not secondary)
5) education that promotes skills we need. Some people will become Drs and lawyers etc others plumber's and brick layers others still shop workers, cleaners etc. We need all of those and all people need so set skills like understanding money management basic maths and English and then people specialise according to ability and desire. Schooling post 16 should help with that.
6) robust defence don't need to say more look at what's happening in UKraine.
Now people will say how will I pay for this with my low tax well job creation, lower nhs burden and lower education (there for unemployment) failures.
The idea of the thread is not to smash others ideas but say what you like.
Now some might want a purple unicorn and a ferrari paid for by UC which is unlikely so if we could suggest the possible it would be good.
I will start off.
1) low tax for all not just big corps or super rich
2) linked with the above the ability to claim deductions for all I relation to work. If your job is a 30 min train ride away an rhats the sole reason for the journey claim it like MPs do.
3) rule of law that protects people's health wealth and provides public safety but doesn't criminalise protesting peacefully (as long as it doesn't harm others), prevent strike action, or prevent people legally living as they wish I.e. if your trans be a women not a man vice versa.
4) Health system that promotes public health, exercise, diet etc first and treatment after that (going to gym won't help if you have cancer of course so it's not secondary)
5) education that promotes skills we need. Some people will become Drs and lawyers etc others plumber's and brick layers others still shop workers, cleaners etc. We need all of those and all people need so set skills like understanding money management basic maths and English and then people specialise according to ability and desire. Schooling post 16 should help with that.
6) robust defence don't need to say more look at what's happening in UKraine.
Now people will say how will I pay for this with my low tax well job creation, lower nhs burden and lower education (there for unemployment) failures.
The idea of the thread is not to smash others ideas but say what you like.
Now some might want a purple unicorn and a ferrari paid for by UC which is unlikely so if we could suggest the possible it would be good.
I think many of our problems stem from multi-generational unemployment. I would like to see some kind of enforced employment in return for basic welfare. Call it national service or workhouses, or whatever you like. It need not be military in nature (though that seemed to work well), or even physical, but people should not be paid to sit on their fat arses with unhealthy processed food delivered to their fat faces, burdening society, the NHS etc with preventable conditions. Welfare and benefits should be harder to 'game'.
Subsidise degree courses by industry demand, by increasing fees on 'soft' courses. Expansion of apprenticeships and 'technical colleges'. Offer real alternatives for non-academic school leavers.
A grown-up approach to immigration. Points based and fair. Asylum should be processed offshore, and any criminal offence committed by a settled migrant should result in immediate deportation, regardless of any real or perceived threat to their safety in their countries of origin.
Increased protection of our police forces to allow them to carry out their duties without fear of prosecution. Increased presence on the streets. Expansion of stop-and-search and profiling. It works. They, along with the civil service should be apolitical, do their jobs, and stop bending to social-justice type causes.
A UK-wide referendum on Scottish independence, not just a vote for the Scottish people. Let the people paying the bill have a say.
Scrap inheritance tax.
Scrap green subsidies for wind/solar. Invest in nuclear.
Set minimum prices for UK farmed produce.
No building on greenfield sites where brownfield sites are available.
Something like that anyway.
Subsidise degree courses by industry demand, by increasing fees on 'soft' courses. Expansion of apprenticeships and 'technical colleges'. Offer real alternatives for non-academic school leavers.
A grown-up approach to immigration. Points based and fair. Asylum should be processed offshore, and any criminal offence committed by a settled migrant should result in immediate deportation, regardless of any real or perceived threat to their safety in their countries of origin.
Increased protection of our police forces to allow them to carry out their duties without fear of prosecution. Increased presence on the streets. Expansion of stop-and-search and profiling. It works. They, along with the civil service should be apolitical, do their jobs, and stop bending to social-justice type causes.
A UK-wide referendum on Scottish independence, not just a vote for the Scottish people. Let the people paying the bill have a say.
Scrap inheritance tax.
Scrap green subsidies for wind/solar. Invest in nuclear.
Set minimum prices for UK farmed produce.
No building on greenfield sites where brownfield sites are available.
Something like that anyway.
Gecko1978 said:
We have a lot of threads with people saying OMFG will you look what Labour / Tories / SNP / UKIP have done now. But what do people actually want.
I will start off.
1) low tax for all not just big corps or super rich
Disagree.I will start off.
1) low tax for all not just big corps or super rich
What I want, is value for money. Lots of places the appear to get the best value for money from their elected Government, pay quite high taxes.
What we need is some means of driving forward business investment. With a declining population, the only way to grow both GDP and tax take is to encourage productivity growth. That means plant, machinery, equipment, technology and training.
Without this, we will merely be squabbling over how we slice up a declining sized cake.
Without this, we will merely be squabbling over how we slice up a declining sized cake.
LimaDelta said:
A UK-wide referendum on Scottish independence, not just a vote for the Scottish people. Let the people paying the bill have a say.
Why?That makes about as much sense as having a UK wide referendum on London or Birmingham independence. There is currently no lawful way for Scotland to secede the UK or have a referendum on doing so. The 2014 thing was an aberration - a political folly by a Prime Minister who thought that the way to kill-off awkward debates was to hold referenda that the awkward crew would then lose and walk away.
It worked for putting the co-alition Liberals back in their box over proportional representation, had a pile of unintended consequences that actually strengthened the SNP over Scottish independence, and thoroughly blew up in his face with the Euro-sceptics and Brexit.
Scotland voted against independence in 2014, the matter is settled until such time as a pro-independence party can win a majority in the UK parliament or can convince a majority of UK MPs to back changing the laws preventing secession.
Ignore the noise from the SNP - they are not Scotland.
LimaDelta said:
I think many of our problems stem from multi-generational unemployment. I would like to see some kind of enforced employment in return for basic welfare. Call it national service or workhouses, or whatever you like. It need not be military in nature (though that seemed to work well), or even physical, but people should not be paid to sit on their fat arses with unhealthy processed food delivered to their fat faces, burdening society, the NHS etc with preventable conditions. Welfare and benefits should be harder to 'game'.
Subsidise degree courses by industry demand, by increasing fees on 'soft' courses. Expansion of apprenticeships and 'technical colleges'. Offer real alternatives for non-academic school leavers.
A grown-up approach to immigration. Points based and fair. Asylum should be processed offshore, and any criminal offence committed by a settled migrant should result in immediate deportation, regardless of any real or perceived threat to their safety in their countries of origin.
Increased protection of our police forces to allow them to carry out their duties without fear of prosecution. Increased presence on the streets. Expansion of stop-and-search and profiling. It works. They, along with the civil service should be apolitical, do their jobs, and stop bending to social-justice type causes.
A UK-wide referendum on Scottish independence, not just a vote for the Scottish people. Let the people paying the bill have a say.
Scrap inheritance tax.
Scrap green subsidies for wind/solar. Invest in nuclear.
Set minimum prices for UK farmed produce.
No building on greenfield sites where brownfield sites are available.
Something like that anyway.
I like most of this but wouldn't have the 'UK-wide referendum on Scottish independence' - in addition, I would spend more on defence whilst also trying to stop them wasting millions on stupid procurements that fail e.g. Ajax and plenty of other examples.Subsidise degree courses by industry demand, by increasing fees on 'soft' courses. Expansion of apprenticeships and 'technical colleges'. Offer real alternatives for non-academic school leavers.
A grown-up approach to immigration. Points based and fair. Asylum should be processed offshore, and any criminal offence committed by a settled migrant should result in immediate deportation, regardless of any real or perceived threat to their safety in their countries of origin.
Increased protection of our police forces to allow them to carry out their duties without fear of prosecution. Increased presence on the streets. Expansion of stop-and-search and profiling. It works. They, along with the civil service should be apolitical, do their jobs, and stop bending to social-justice type causes.
A UK-wide referendum on Scottish independence, not just a vote for the Scottish people. Let the people paying the bill have a say.
Scrap inheritance tax.
Scrap green subsidies for wind/solar. Invest in nuclear.
Set minimum prices for UK farmed produce.
No building on greenfield sites where brownfield sites are available.
Something like that anyway.
Also, and I'm not sure how to implement this, but a law stopping public corporations etc paying for failure e.g. chief execs of NHS trusts getting hefty pensions after utter failure etc
Gecko1978 said:
2) linked with the above the ability to claim deductions for all I relation to work. If your job is a 30 min train ride away an rhats the sole reason for the journey claim it like MPs do.
MPs can claim for travel between their constituency and Westminster, and within the constituency. They cannot claim for commuting to parliament from their London home.I do not think that is unreasonable, and it is similar to the expenses policy in the places I have worked.
bloomen said:
I look forward to AI dominance.
"Just machines to make big decisions, Programmed by fellas with compassion and vision..."I see a flaw in that plan...
snotrag said:
Gecko1978 said:
We have a lot of threads with people saying OMFG will you look what Labour / Tories / SNP / UKIP have done now. But what do people actually want.
I will start off.
1) low tax for all not just big corps or super rich
Disagree.I will start off.
1) low tax for all not just big corps or super rich
What I want, is value for money. Lots of places the appear to get the best value for money from their elected Government, pay quite high taxes.
Personally I would like governments to focus less on economic development and more on overall development, which would include many factors not measured in pounds eg democracy, political rights, health, social cohesion, education, happiness, safety etc.
I think I would take actual competent and intelligent governance with a good balance of addressing short term issues and long term planning/investment regardless of political party.
Ideally not afraid to make tough decisions but always willing to explain why they have been taken and why they are believed to be correct.
A responsible balanced press would be helpful in this but I fear I’ve strayed from the achievable requirement of the thread already.
ETA: in the interests of long term value and continuity a government with large parties having to be in coalition would potentially be of benefit (see the competent and intelligent and add in grown up and compromising for it to be functional).
Ideally not afraid to make tough decisions but always willing to explain why they have been taken and why they are believed to be correct.
A responsible balanced press would be helpful in this but I fear I’ve strayed from the achievable requirement of the thread already.
ETA: in the interests of long term value and continuity a government with large parties having to be in coalition would potentially be of benefit (see the competent and intelligent and add in grown up and compromising for it to be functional).
Edited by Dingu on Monday 11th September 11:09
snotrag said:
Gecko1978 said:
We have a lot of threads with people saying OMFG will you look what Labour / Tories / SNP / UKIP have done now. But what do people actually want.
I will start off.
1) low tax for all not just big corps or super rich
Disagree.I will start off.
1) low tax for all not just big corps or super rich
What I want, is value for money. Lots of places the appear to get the best value for money from their elected Government, pay quite high taxes.
We're not getting what we paid for though, not when close.
bloomen said:
HustleRussell said:
Why the gratuitous homophobic slur?
Fagging is young boys being made the slaves of older boys.Parents paid good money to have their children tortured back in the day, and they made sure the boys themselves added to the torture.
Nowt to do with Toilet Areas.
k's sake, have a word. For a while after the end of the financial year we used to get a breakdown of amount of money our taxes went to.
Would be an interesting exercise to break that down and see how people would prioritise given the choice. Would also be good for parties t complete them as part of election pledges/manifestos.
Would be an interesting exercise to break that down and see how people would prioritise given the choice. Would also be good for parties t complete them as part of election pledges/manifestos.
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