New law to limit strikes

[glazbagun]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66720206

I can maybe understand this from the POV of the army or police, but for everyone else the right to remove your labour strikes me as pretty fundamental.

A good way to upset unions and maybe cause some good old fashioned division before an election perhaps. Don't see it helping with healthcare labour shortages. Or any labour shortage really.

[egor110]

Surely the various unions would just switch to work to rule with zero overtime ?

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

glazbagun said:

to remove your labour strikes me as pretty fundamental.

I've never understood strikes. If you don't like where you work then surely just go and work somewhere else? Nothing good usually comes as the result of a strike. (You probably need to have lived in the early '70s to fully understand that)

[Ed.]

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

glazbagun said:

to remove your labour strikes me as pretty fundamental.

I've never understood strikes. If you don't like where you work then surely just go and work somewhere else? Nothing good usually comes as the result of a strike. (You probably need to have lived in the early '70s to fully understand that)

I think nursing has been using method for a while going by their shortages.

[Biggy Stardust]

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

glazbagun said:

to remove your labour strikes me as pretty fundamental.

I've never understood strikes. If you don't like where you work then surely just go and work somewhere else? Nothing good usually comes as the result of a strike. (You probably need to have lived in the early '70s to fully understand that)

You're probably good enough to be able to get a job elsewhere. Striking as part of a union is for those of lesser ability who think they deserve better, can't actually find better elsewhere & therefore need to be part of a gang.

[Don Roque]

glazbagun said:

I can maybe understand this from the POV of the army or police, but for everyone else the right to remove your labour strikes me as pretty fundamental.

The police aren't allowed to strike, probably the same for the army.

[glazbagun]

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

glazbagun said:

to remove your labour strikes me as pretty fundamental.

I've never understood strikes. If you don't like where you work then surely just go and work somewhere else? Nothing good usually comes as the result of a strike. (You probably need to have lived in the early '70s to fully understand that)

Depends on your industry I suppose. Radiographers or paediatric nurses have few alternative employers.

I've left cities simply because of how I was spoken to at work, but not everyone has that luxury.

Semi and low skilled workers are open to exploitation by employers and frequently lack the capital to retrain or move.

Collective bargaining is the only chip the poorest have against a large or corporate employer. A union can screw up (ala Timex or Scargill), but it seems to be less combative in Germany.

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

glazbagun said:

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

glazbagun said:

to remove your labour strikes me as pretty fundamental.

I've never understood strikes. If you don't like where you work then surely just go and work somewhere else? Nothing good usually comes as the result of a strike. (You probably need to have lived in the early '70s to fully understand that)

Depends on your industry I suppose. Radiographers or paediatric nurses have few alternative employers.

I've left cities simply because of how I was spoken to at work, but not everyone has that luxury.

Semi and low skilled workers are open to exploitation by employers and frequently lack the capital to retrain or move.

Collective bargaining is the only chip the poorest have against a large or corporate employer. A union can screw up (ala Timex or Scargill), but it seems to be less combative in Germany.

I always had a theory about voluntary extra tax. If somebody had asked for a voluntary, say 2%, extra tax to fund medical staff I for one would have signed up. I completely agree that nurses are undervalued & can't really work elsewhere in such a worthwhile job

[Silvanus]

glazbagun said:

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

glazbagun said:

to remove your labour strikes me as pretty fundamental.

I've never understood strikes. If you don't like where you work then surely just go and work somewhere else? Nothing good usually comes as the result of a strike. (You probably need to have lived in the early '70s to fully understand that)

Depends on your industry I suppose. Radiographers or paediatric nurses have few alternative employers.

I've left cities simply because of how I was spoken to at work, but not everyone has that luxury.

Semi and low skilled workers are open to exploitation by employers and frequently lack the capital to retrain or move.

Collective bargaining is the only chip the poorest have against a large or corporate employer. A union can screw up (ala Timex or Scargill), but it seems to be less combative in Germany.

People on PH generally think that everyone can go and get a better job and if they can't tough st. If all the nurses and teachers went off and got different jobs I'm sure they'd be happy with all the shortages. If many of these roles had a fair wage and decent working conditions strikes wouldn't be needed.

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

Silvanus said:

People on PH generally think that everyone can go and get a better job and if they can't tough st. If all the nurses and teachers went off and got different jobs I'm sure they'd be happy with all the shortages. If many of these roles had a fair wage and decent working conditions strikes wouldn't be needed.

I kind of agree. See my post above.

[bitchstewie]

Silvanus said:

People on PH generally think that everyone can go and get a better job and if they can't tough st. If all the nurses and teachers went off and got different jobs I'm sure they'd be happy with all the shortages. If many of these roles had a fair wage and decent working conditions strikes wouldn't be needed.

Pretty much this.

[Silvanus]

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

Silvanus said:

People on PH generally think that everyone can go and get a better job and if they can't tough st. If all the nurses and teachers went off and got different jobs I'm sure they'd be happy with all the shortages. If many of these roles had a fair wage and decent working conditions strikes wouldn't be needed.

I kind of agree. See my post above.

[biggbn]

Don Roque said:

The police aren't allowed to strike, probably the same for the army.

They should be allowed, some great guys with very poor funding, dangerous conditions and lots of mismanagement but they've just to put up with it.

[Vasco]

biggbn said:

Don Roque said:

The police aren't allowed to strike, probably the same for the army.

They should be allowed, some great guys with very poor funding, dangerous conditions and lots of mismanagement but they've just to put up with it.

So they should leave and work elsewhere. There's vacancies all over the place, in numerous different roles.

[biggbn]

Vasco said:

biggbn said:

Don Roque said:

The police aren't allowed to strike, probably the same for the army.

They should be allowed, some great guys with very poor funding, dangerous conditions and lots of mismanagement but they've just to put up with it.

So they should leave and work elsewhere. There's vacancies all over the place, in numerous different roles.

YeH, because its always that simple isn't it?

[Vasco]

biggbn said:

Vasco said:

biggbn said:

Don Roque said:

The police aren't allowed to strike, probably the same for the army.

They should be allowed, some great guys with very poor funding, dangerous conditions and lots of mismanagement but they've just to put up with it.

So they should leave and work elsewhere. There's vacancies all over the place, in numerous different roles.

YeH, because its always that simple isn't it?

Yes, it can be. People are just reluctant to change, they'd rather moan.

[bitchstewie]

biggbn said:

YeH, because its always that simple isn't it?

I suppose at a basic level yes.

I do wonder what sort of race to the bottom the people who take that view would support though.

[ChocolateFrog]

These threads always go the exact same way.

A few Velar owning social climbers in middle management shout about just getting a better job.

The same people who would no doubt shout the loudest the second their bins were not emptied on time.

If it wasn't for unions this government would have every blue collar job as a zero hours contract on minimum wage.

[ChocolateFrog]

Or they'll whinge about losing their personal allowance forgetting half the population has to have their wages topped up via UC and that's with a few protections.

Anyway, the reality is it won't work and is quite likely illegal. Would love to see how they would work it in my industry.

Come to work during a strike or we'll sack you, riiiight.

[Rufus Stone]

ChocolateFrog said:

If it wasn't for unions this government would have every blue collar job as a zero hours contract on minimum wage.

Strangely, they would have got a 10% pay rise if they were.