Network Rail fined £6.7M for Carmont derailment
Discussion
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66749546
BBC said:
The judge, Lord Matthews, said no penalty could compensate for the loss suffered by the families of those who died and of the six people on board the train who were injured.
Speaking outside court, Ray McCullough, the father of the train's driver, said the fine was "not enough"."At the end of the day, the train should not have gone out," he said.
It has also been announced that a fatal accident inquiry will be held into the crash.The Crown Office and Prosecution Fiscal Service said the aim was to help avoid a similar incident happening again.
Speaking outside court, Ray McCullough, the father of the train's driver, said the fine was "not enough"."At the end of the day, the train should not have gone out," he said.
It has also been announced that a fatal accident inquiry will be held into the crash.The Crown Office and Prosecution Fiscal Service said the aim was to help avoid a similar incident happening again.
JagLover said:
Dibble said:
I’m too lazy to Google this one, but how much fiscal pain will that cause Network Rail? I’ve no idea of their budget and whether £6.7m would bankrupt them, or barely go noticed on the balance sheet.
Network Rail is a public body run by the Department for Transport. I don't see the point in fining public bodies like Police forces, NHS trusts or in this case, Network Rail. The punishment only ends up penalising the public, the people who these bodies are supposed to serve.
Unless individuals are accountable, these fines do nothing to improve processes. The only way for them to be effective is for penalties to work against the chief executive(s) who are ultimately responsible. So for example, the fine would be levied at say 20% of the person's income, even if they leave that job and work for someone else or start a new business, and like the far reaching arms of the U.S. IRS, those levies would apply no matter where in the world the individual went.
Unless individuals are accountable, these fines do nothing to improve processes. The only way for them to be effective is for penalties to work against the chief executive(s) who are ultimately responsible. So for example, the fine would be levied at say 20% of the person's income, even if they leave that job and work for someone else or start a new business, and like the far reaching arms of the U.S. IRS, those levies would apply no matter where in the world the individual went.
DaveTheRave87 said:
JagLover said:
Dibble said:
I’m too lazy to Google this one, but how much fiscal pain will that cause Network Rail? I’ve no idea of their budget and whether £6.7m would bankrupt them, or barely go noticed on the balance sheet.
Network Rail is a public body run by the Department for Transport. They are a Not-for-profit whose funding comes from a mixture of public grants and track charges.
LunarOne said:
I don't see the point in fining public bodies like Police forces, NHS trusts or in this case, Network Rail. The punishment only ends up penalising the public, the people who these bodies are supposed to serve.
Unless individuals are accountable, these fines do nothing to improve processes. The only way for them to be effective is for penalties to work against the chief executive(s) who are ultimately responsible. So for example, the fine would be levied at say 20% of the person's income, even if they leave that job and work for someone else or start a new business, and like the far reaching arms of the U.S. IRS, those levies would apply no matter where in the world the individual went.
On the last CEO thread where their large renumeration was questioned, it was pointed out that they bear ultimate responsibility and could even go to jail if they fail.Unless individuals are accountable, these fines do nothing to improve processes. The only way for them to be effective is for penalties to work against the chief executive(s) who are ultimately responsible. So for example, the fine would be levied at say 20% of the person's income, even if they leave that job and work for someone else or start a new business, and like the far reaching arms of the U.S. IRS, those levies would apply no matter where in the world the individual went.
Well, people have died here and no charges filed and very unlikely to be. Yes, I know this is a public body but the point still stands and the same would happen in a similarly sized private company.
I guess we can lay that fallacy to bed now.
LunarOne said:
I don't see the point in fining public bodies like Police forces, NHS trusts or in this case, Network Rail. The punishment only ends up penalising the public, the people who these bodies are supposed to serve.
Unless individuals are accountable, these fines do nothing to improve processes. The only way for them to be effective is for penalties to work against the chief executive(s) who are ultimately responsible. So for example, the fine would be levied at say 20% of the person's income, even if they leave that job and work for someone else or start a new business, and like the far reaching arms of the U.S. IRS, those levies would apply no matter where in the world the individual went.
The Judge in the trial regarding the Barrow Legionella outbreak made the point in his sentencing remarks that the fines given to the council would have been much higher if they had been a commercial operation. He would have imposed fines many times higher but ultimately the money could only come from the Council Tax payers some of whom are the friends and relatives of the deceased.Unless individuals are accountable, these fines do nothing to improve processes. The only way for them to be effective is for penalties to work against the chief executive(s) who are ultimately responsible. So for example, the fine would be levied at say 20% of the person's income, even if they leave that job and work for someone else or start a new business, and like the far reaching arms of the U.S. IRS, those levies would apply no matter where in the world the individual went.
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