That UK Energy Bill with Stringent Punishments Attached
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Can't see if this has been discussed, but every single Labour, Lib Dem and SNP politician abstained from the vote so it passed through in purely Conservative votes. There has to be something wrong there as it could have easily been defeated!
The inclusions in this bill are horrendous!
Suggestions that homeowners could face £15,000 fines or jail time if they fail to bring residences up to insulation standards - a mild overreach?
Legal rights to force entry in order to install smart-maters?
Whilst possibly seeking to outlaw log burners, at least there is provision for much needed new nuclear capacity planned.
https://www.energylivenews.com/2023/09/03/uk-homeo...
https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/09/06/the-shocking...
The inclusions in this bill are horrendous!
Suggestions that homeowners could face £15,000 fines or jail time if they fail to bring residences up to insulation standards - a mild overreach?
Legal rights to force entry in order to install smart-maters?
Whilst possibly seeking to outlaw log burners, at least there is provision for much needed new nuclear capacity planned.
https://www.energylivenews.com/2023/09/03/uk-homeo...
https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/09/06/the-shocking...
jshell said:
Can't see if this has been discussed, but every single Labour, Lib Dem and SNP politician abstained from the vote so it passed through in purely Conservative votes. There has to be something wrong there as it could have easily been defeated!
The inclusions in this bill are horrendous!
Suggestions that homeowners could face £15,000 fines or jail time if they fail to bring residences up to insulation standards - a mild overreach?
Legal rights to force entry in order to install smart-maters?
Whilst possibly seeking to outlaw log burners, at least there is provision for much needed new nuclear capacity planned.
https://www.energylivenews.com/2023/09/03/uk-homeo...
https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/09/06/the-shocking...
And yet nobody has actually seen the new energy bill proposal.The inclusions in this bill are horrendous!
Suggestions that homeowners could face £15,000 fines or jail time if they fail to bring residences up to insulation standards - a mild overreach?
Legal rights to force entry in order to install smart-maters?
Whilst possibly seeking to outlaw log burners, at least there is provision for much needed new nuclear capacity planned.
https://www.energylivenews.com/2023/09/03/uk-homeo...
https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/09/06/the-shocking...
And it reads to me that nothing has been voted in yet.
From about 30 minutes 15 seconds in:
https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-4th-...
Seems they have such laws already in France. So we're mimicking France or it's a policy that's been dropped into this Country that we have to adhere to?
Up to a year in prison, criminalising the marketing and selling of premises that are substandard in terms of insulation or energy use.
So some elderly dear may have to get their home upgraded so they can sell it rather than leave to the next owner to fit the energy solution that they want and meets their needs?
So we can vote for Brexit but we'll get the same agendas and policies parachuted in that we'd have had anyway?
So individuals are to be criminalised while big business Water Companies dump sewage into our waterways with impunity?
https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-4th-...
Seems they have such laws already in France. So we're mimicking France or it's a policy that's been dropped into this Country that we have to adhere to?
Up to a year in prison, criminalising the marketing and selling of premises that are substandard in terms of insulation or energy use.
So some elderly dear may have to get their home upgraded so they can sell it rather than leave to the next owner to fit the energy solution that they want and meets their needs?
So we can vote for Brexit but we'll get the same agendas and policies parachuted in that we'd have had anyway?
So individuals are to be criminalised while big business Water Companies dump sewage into our waterways with impunity?
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 7th September 16:59
I was under the impression the bill was still in the usual back & forth over ammendments / sub-ammendments, etc?
Edit - quick Google suggests the ammendments are being discussed on Tuesday next week (12th).
Oh
- https://www.gov.uk/government/news/energy-companie...
Edit - quick Google suggests the ammendments are being discussed on Tuesday next week (12th).
jshell said:
...Legal rights to force entry in order to install smart-maters?...
Re the bit above - funny how things change over a few months. Wasn't it only back in February when this shower of crap involved themselves in something fairly similar when they ended up with a court order stopping energy companies from using other court orders to force entry to properties in order to forcibly move people onto prepayment meters (that in some cases weren't even required) and how the practice was immoral, disgusting, etc, during the energy crisis.Oh
- https://www.gov.uk/government/news/energy-companie...Edited by AlexRS2782 on Friday 8th September 02:45
AlexRS2782 said:
Re the bit above - funny how things change over a few months. Wasn't it only back in February when this shower of crap involved themselves in something fairly similar when they ended up with a court order stopping energy companies from using other court orders to force entry to properties in order to forcibly move people onto prepayment meters (that in some cases weren't even required) and how the practice was immoral, disgusting, etc, during the energy crisis.
Oh - https://www.gov.uk/government/news/energy-companie...
Be interesting to see how this pans out. I'm all for efficiency, but htis seems utterly draconian!!Oh
- https://www.gov.uk/government/news/energy-companie...Edited by AlexRS2782 on Friday 8th September 02:45
Already happening for landlords. EPC band C from 2025, and band B in 2030. Big fines if non compliant.
Last week I sent out letters to my tenants telling them that it may not be practical or even possible to meet those standard so I may have to sell.
My brother has a new build (band B) and it's incredibly efficient. The majority of property in my area is over 50 years old, so has no chance of making band B without major work. The cavities are too small and they have sold concrete floors.
Last week I sent out letters to my tenants telling them that it may not be practical or even possible to meet those standard so I may have to sell.
My brother has a new build (band B) and it's incredibly efficient. The majority of property in my area is over 50 years old, so has no chance of making band B without major work. The cavities are too small and they have sold concrete floors.
98elise said:
Already happening for landlords. EPC band C from 2025, and band B in 2030. Big fines if non compliant.
Last week I sent out letters to my tenants telling them that it may not be practical or even possible to meet those standard so I may have to sell.
My brother has a new build (band B) and it's incredibly efficient. The majority of property in my area is over 50 years old, so has no chance of making band B without major work. The cavities are too small and they have sold concrete floors.
It seems to be that this policy push is going entirely under the radar of the public.Last week I sent out letters to my tenants telling them that it may not be practical or even possible to meet those standard so I may have to sell.
My brother has a new build (band B) and it's incredibly efficient. The majority of property in my area is over 50 years old, so has no chance of making band B without major work. The cavities are too small and they have sold concrete floors.
Yet when the sharp end arrives (ie lack of commercial and domestic properties at a sensible price) then surely there will be some political push back?
Land lords will have to push the cost of energy upgrades onto tenants.
I suppose "cost of living crisis" can soak up things for a bit longer though.
jshell said:
Can't see if this has been discussed, but every single Labour, Lib Dem and SNP politician abstained from the vote so it passed through in purely Conservative votes. There has to be something wrong there as it could have easily been defeated!
The inclusions in this bill are horrendous!
Suggestions that homeowners could face £15,000 fines or jail time if they fail to bring residences up to insulation standards - a mild overreach?
Legal rights to force entry in order to install smart-maters?
Whilst possibly seeking to outlaw log burners, at least there is provision for much needed new nuclear capacity planned.
https://www.energylivenews.com/2023/09/03/uk-homeo...
https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/09/06/the-shocking...
They will have to kill me first before I get a smart meter.The inclusions in this bill are horrendous!
Suggestions that homeowners could face £15,000 fines or jail time if they fail to bring residences up to insulation standards - a mild overreach?
Legal rights to force entry in order to install smart-maters?
Whilst possibly seeking to outlaw log burners, at least there is provision for much needed new nuclear capacity planned.
https://www.energylivenews.com/2023/09/03/uk-homeo...
https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/09/06/the-shocking...
TX.
Scolmore said:
Terminator X said:
They will have to kill me first before I get a smart meter.
TX.
You could use the tin foil from your hat (meant in jest) to wrap the smart meter so it can't talk homeTX.
In terms of the electricity company I am the "customer" yet I am being told I must have a smart meter and I must be efficient and I must use less yet its a commodity I pay for and I am the "customer" so if I want to run everything all day I pay for it.
Except here we are as "customers" being told what we can and cant do. I don't want a smart meter either, I don't want a direct debit, I just want to read my meter and pay for what I use, its not hard, I don't mind doing it. I can keep tabs on my spend very well and I don't run a free credit loan to EDF by overpaying each month, nor do they have power to raid my account as they see fit.
Its being packaged up and the environment but its really about control and forcing changes to the markets by making some housing stock worthless so its sold and redeveloped.
Its all going to end badly when the public wake up and see they are getting played for fools.
It's being predicted as the battleground for the next big populist revolt. It being all the extra costs that are being foisted all in the name of Net Zero.
Seems that generally the populace is sympathetic towards the concept of reducing and changing how we produce and consume energy. But in contrast are very concerned about what is being proposed and the timescale and pace involved. The other concern is that all the political parties are on the same playground on this and the public who are, imo, rightly concerned on such issues as affordability, feel that there is no one voicing their concerns and the politicians are out of touch.
There is a possibly incorrect belief that the pace of change and timescale can be delayed. The problem there is that much of this has already been put into binding legislation.
Legislation can always be undone, imagine the backlash from certain protest groups though. It would make XR/JSO shenanigans look like a birthday party for 3yr old.
Will someone emerge? Will there be a massive reaction at a ballot box? Personally not sure on that.
Seems that generally the populace is sympathetic towards the concept of reducing and changing how we produce and consume energy. But in contrast are very concerned about what is being proposed and the timescale and pace involved. The other concern is that all the political parties are on the same playground on this and the public who are, imo, rightly concerned on such issues as affordability, feel that there is no one voicing their concerns and the politicians are out of touch.
There is a possibly incorrect belief that the pace of change and timescale can be delayed. The problem there is that much of this has already been put into binding legislation.
Legislation can always be undone, imagine the backlash from certain protest groups though. It would make XR/JSO shenanigans look like a birthday party for 3yr old.
Will someone emerge? Will there be a massive reaction at a ballot box? Personally not sure on that.
The bit about upgrading to the standards, whatever they are going to be, before you can sell. How will that work? There will be many who need to sell and unable to afford the upgrades.
And how far is this going to go? Are we all going to be forced to buy smart appliances, or else?
The whole tyrannical thing stinks .
And how far is this going to go? Are we all going to be forced to buy smart appliances, or else?
The whole tyrannical thing stinks .
Rampant consumerism and throwaway society are bigger contributors to pollution and emissions than my wood burner that I use maybe 20 to 30 times a year.
Make do and mend has become consume and replace. My house is 300 years old in places, it maintains a steady temp all year round because of its thick walls, cool in summer and just right in winter, without excessive bills. yet its not deemed to be right on some chart, a one size fits all policy led chart devised by people with a political agenda.
Get everyone's head around the idea that constantly buying new s
t is bad, get folk used to buying quality over quantity and make stuff that lasts longer than a month or so past the warrantee.
I'm fed up buying new LED bulbs, they don't last as long as the old ones did, and are more expensive and you have to buy carefully or the light is too white and harsh.
Make do and mend has become consume and replace. My house is 300 years old in places, it maintains a steady temp all year round because of its thick walls, cool in summer and just right in winter, without excessive bills. yet its not deemed to be right on some chart, a one size fits all policy led chart devised by people with a political agenda.
Get everyone's head around the idea that constantly buying new s
t is bad, get folk used to buying quality over quantity and make stuff that lasts longer than a month or so past the warrantee. I'm fed up buying new LED bulbs, they don't last as long as the old ones did, and are more expensive and you have to buy carefully or the light is too white and harsh.
I did bring this to the attention on the Rishi Sunak thread on Wednesday but no one took interest.
I said 1 year in Prison & 15k fines if you don't follow Net Zero? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiBxyYFL48w
I said 1 year in Prison & 15k fines if you don't follow Net Zero? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiBxyYFL48w
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