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Cant say i blame her.
Cant say i blame her.
Edited by Grumps. on Monday 4th September 18:41
Not an ounce of sympathy for her.
13 years they've been in power.
13 years they've been chronically underfunding Education as part of their economy wrecking austerity.
She might have been in the job for 5 minutes, she might have been working hard, but she doesn't get to wash her hands of her Party's sins.
13 years they've been in power.
13 years they've been chronically underfunding Education as part of their economy wrecking austerity.
She might have been in the job for 5 minutes, she might have been working hard, but she doesn't get to wash her hands of her Party's sins.
Grumps. said:
https://www.itv.com/news/2023-09-03/government-und...
Cant say i blame her.
This government seems to be proving daily that they've mistaken an episode of the "thick of it" for a Tory party training video.Cant say i blame her.
Edited by Grumps. on Monday 4th September 18:41
To misquote Malcolm Tucker, "She's so dense, that light bends around her."
Rivenink said:
Not an ounce of sympathy for her.
13 years they've been in power.
13 years they've been chronically underfunding Education as part of their economy wrecking austerity.
She might have been in the job for 5 minutes, she might have been working hard, but she doesn't get to wash her hands of her Party's sins.
They've underfunded education, health, military, policing, social care13 years they've been in power.
13 years they've been chronically underfunding Education as part of their economy wrecking austerity.
She might have been in the job for 5 minutes, she might have been working hard, but she doesn't get to wash her hands of her Party's sins.
But where would the extra have come from?
My cupboard is bare
Nothing will change even with a change of government. The country is in a deep malaise. Try getting anything done in the public sector it moves at a snails pace. Even worse post covid. Government are useless but mad to think one person can move it one way or the other just too many roadblocks in the chain of command. I guess Scotland and Wales have no issues and it’s just the useless Tory party. Where’s the accountability of the local authorities in all this ?
voyds9 said:
Rivenink said:
Not an ounce of sympathy for her.
13 years they've been in power.
13 years they've been chronically underfunding Education as part of their economy wrecking austerity.
She might have been in the job for 5 minutes, she might have been working hard, but she doesn't get to wash her hands of her Party's sins.
They've underfunded education, health, military, policing, social care13 years they've been in power.
13 years they've been chronically underfunding Education as part of their economy wrecking austerity.
She might have been in the job for 5 minutes, she might have been working hard, but she doesn't get to wash her hands of her Party's sins.
But where would the extra have come from?
My cupboard is bare
voyds9 said:
Rivenink said:
Not an ounce of sympathy for her.
13 years they've been in power.
13 years they've been chronically underfunding Education as part of their economy wrecking austerity.
She might have been in the job for 5 minutes, she might have been working hard, but she doesn't get to wash her hands of her Party's sins.
They've underfunded education, health, military, policing, social care13 years they've been in power.
13 years they've been chronically underfunding Education as part of their economy wrecking austerity.
She might have been in the job for 5 minutes, she might have been working hard, but she doesn't get to wash her hands of her Party's sins.
But where would the extra have come from?
My cupboard is bare
Austerity reversed the growth that Brown and Darling had started at the tail end of 2009 into 2010. No growth = less taxes = less money to spend.
Not only did austerity fail to appreciably fix the deficit, it left everything underfunded, and the economy in the mire.
86 said:
Nothing will change even with a change of government. The country is in a deep malaise. Try getting anything done in the public sector it moves at a snails pace. Even worse post covid. Government are useless but mad to think one person can move it one way or the other just too many roadblocks in the chain of command.
And this is absolutely spot on. And the bigger problems will never be solved with parliaments of four years, unless all parties work together to solve them. If a parliament of any colour was to be elected and start tackling the problems in central government immediately the mess would take much more than four years to sort out, meaning that they wouldn't be re-elected. I therefore despair of the problems ever being tackled in any meaningful way.
And austerity failed… even with that tgey pursue the high tax no growth model… to grow you need low taxes.
Let’s face it UK is broke, huge burden from nhs and social care, less than half of working age adults doesn’t pay taxes. Ageing population… you don’t need to be Oxford or Cambridge educated to see this path is very wrong and not working at all.
There is no political alternative Labour will be the same but we can’t just give Tories any more chances, time for change, can’t come soon enough!
Let’s face it UK is broke, huge burden from nhs and social care, less than half of working age adults doesn’t pay taxes. Ageing population… you don’t need to be Oxford or Cambridge educated to see this path is very wrong and not working at all.
There is no political alternative Labour will be the same but we can’t just give Tories any more chances, time for change, can’t come soon enough!
CrgT16 said:
And austerity failed… even with that tgey pursue the high tax no growth model… to grow you need low taxes.
Let’s face it UK is broke, huge burden from nhs and social care, less than half of working age adults doesn’t pay taxes. Ageing population… you don’t need to be Oxford or Cambridge educated to see this path is very wrong and not working at all.
There is no political alternative Labour will be the same but we can’t just give Tories any more chances, time for change, can’t come soon enough!
Whoever is in charge in the next 5 years hasn’t a chance. If you have friends or do business in the Far East you will probably know that China yes China is sinking under a massive debt mountain that is unsustainable and will make any previous world financial crash look like small fry. Look at youth unemployment in China look at massive public projects that are part complete where the money has run out. Slowly the west will wake up there’s no big economic boom coming to the world shortly and thats where Starmer’s plan will fall flat on its face Let’s face it UK is broke, huge burden from nhs and social care, less than half of working age adults doesn’t pay taxes. Ageing population… you don’t need to be Oxford or Cambridge educated to see this path is very wrong and not working at all.
There is no political alternative Labour will be the same but we can’t just give Tories any more chances, time for change, can’t come soon enough!
86 said:
CrgT16 said:
And austerity failed… even with that tgey pursue the high tax no growth model… to grow you need low taxes.
Let’s face it UK is broke, huge burden from nhs and social care, less than half of working age adults doesn’t pay taxes. Ageing population… you don’t need to be Oxford or Cambridge educated to see this path is very wrong and not working at all.
There is no political alternative Labour will be the same but we can’t just give Tories any more chances, time for change, can’t come soon enough!
Whoever is in charge in the next 5 years hasn’t a chance. If you have friends or do business in the Far East you will probably know that China yes China is sinking under a massive debt mountain that is unsustainable and will make any previous world financial crash look like small fry. Look at youth unemployment in China look at massive public projects that are part complete where the money has run out. Slowly the west will wake up there’s no big economic boom coming to the world shortly and thats where Starmer’s plan will fall flat on its face Let’s face it UK is broke, huge burden from nhs and social care, less than half of working age adults doesn’t pay taxes. Ageing population… you don’t need to be Oxford or Cambridge educated to see this path is very wrong and not working at all.
There is no political alternative Labour will be the same but we can’t just give Tories any more chances, time for change, can’t come soon enough!
Starmer could stop and give 86 CPR in his moment of need, and he'd still accuse Starmer of assaulting him.
2Btoo said:
86 said:
Nothing will change even with a change of government. The country is in a deep malaise. Try getting anything done in the public sector it moves at a snails pace. Even worse post covid. Government are useless but mad to think one person can move it one way or the other just too many roadblocks in the chain of command.
And this is absolutely spot on. And the bigger problems will never be solved with parliaments of four years, unless all parties work together to solve them. If a parliament of any colour was to be elected and start tackling the problems in central government immediately the mess would take much more than four years to sort out, meaning that they wouldn't be re-elected. I therefore despair of the problems ever being tackled in any meaningful way.
Rivenink said:
86 said:
CrgT16 said:
And austerity failed… even with that tgey pursue the high tax no growth model… to grow you need low taxes.
Let’s face it UK is broke, huge burden from nhs and social care, less than half of working age adults doesn’t pay taxes. Ageing population… you don’t need to be Oxford or Cambridge educated to see this path is very wrong and not working at all.
There is no political alternative Labour will be the same but we can’t just give Tories any more chances, time for change, can’t come soon enough!
Whoever is in charge in the next 5 years hasn’t a chance. If you have friends or do business in the Far East you will probably know that China yes China is sinking under a massive debt mountain that is unsustainable and will make any previous world financial crash look like small fry. Look at youth unemployment in China look at massive public projects that are part complete where the money has run out. Slowly the west will wake up there’s no big economic boom coming to the world shortly and thats where Starmer’s plan will fall flat on its face Let’s face it UK is broke, huge burden from nhs and social care, less than half of working age adults doesn’t pay taxes. Ageing population… you don’t need to be Oxford or Cambridge educated to see this path is very wrong and not working at all.
There is no political alternative Labour will be the same but we can’t just give Tories any more chances, time for change, can’t come soon enough!
Starmer could stop and give 86 CPR in his moment of need, and he'd still accuse Starmer of assaulting him.
The problem is "We can't give the Tories anymore chances" will be replaced with "We can't give Labour anymore chances" very soon.
As said the country is deep in it and only serious remedies are required.
Money needs to be found PDQ.
Costs need to be slashed PDQ.
Not everyone will like it but lets face it medicine that's good for you has never tasted good!
I was born in an environment where rich peoples houses stood next to open sewers. Something that I could never get my head around. Britain is heading that way since the Government is far too poor / far too much in debt / far too wasteful. All of these things lead to very weak, ineffectual leadership.
As said the country is deep in it and only serious remedies are required.
Money needs to be found PDQ.
Costs need to be slashed PDQ.
Not everyone will like it but lets face it medicine that's good for you has never tasted good!
I was born in an environment where rich peoples houses stood next to open sewers. Something that I could never get my head around. Britain is heading that way since the Government is far too poor / far too much in debt / far too wasteful. All of these things lead to very weak, ineffectual leadership.
Greenmantle said:
The problem is "We can't give the Tories anymore chances" will be replaced with "We can't give Labour anymore chances" very soon.
As said the country is deep in it and only serious remedies are required.
Money needs to be found PDQ.
Costs need to be slashed PDQ.
Not everyone will like it but lets face it medicine that's good for you has never tasted good!
I was born in an environment where rich peoples houses stood next to open sewers. Something that I could never get my head around. Britain is heading that way since the Government is far too poor / far too much in debt / far too wasteful. All of these things lead to very weak, ineffectual leadership.
It is hard to see new sources of money being found, as capital markets baulk at higher borrowing, so a ruthless efficiency drive is what is needed.As said the country is deep in it and only serious remedies are required.
Money needs to be found PDQ.
Costs need to be slashed PDQ.
Not everyone will like it but lets face it medicine that's good for you has never tasted good!
I was born in an environment where rich peoples houses stood next to open sewers. Something that I could never get my head around. Britain is heading that way since the Government is far too poor / far too much in debt / far too wasteful. All of these things lead to very weak, ineffectual leadership.
Regrettably, the current political parties, in combination with the Civil Service, are entirely incapable of delivering it.
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