Assisted Suicide / Poison seller arrested in Canada

[BrettMRC]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-6660988...

Over 230 buyers in the UK alone - although he has been arrested in relation to two deaths in Canada.

[Gecko1978]

BrettMRC said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-6660988...

Over 230 buyers in the UK alone - although he has been arrested in relation to two deaths in Canada.

To go off on a tangent a little soke years ago my depression was at the stage death seemed logical and palatable I was fortunate I got help from my wife and Dr's. If you feel this low please please call your GP every day if needed as once you go down the other path there is no undoing it.

In the last 3 months 2 people I knew went down that path it's very sad so please PH folk if your low and don't want to carry on please speak to a Dr first.

[BrettMRC]

Gecko1978 said:

To go off on a tangent a little soke years ago my depression was at the stage death seemed logical and palatable I was fortunate I got help from my wife and Dr's. If you feel this low please please call your GP every day if needed as once you go down the other path there is no undoing it.

In the last 3 months 2 people I knew went down that path it's very sad so please PH folk if your low and don't want to carry on please speak to a Dr first.

100% - there is always a path towards hope.

[GliderRider]

BrettMRC said:

Gecko1978 said:

To go off on a tangent a little soke years ago my depression was at the stage death seemed logical and palatable I was fortunate I got help from my wife and Dr's. If you feel this low please please call your GP every day if needed as once you go down the other path there is no undoing it.

In the last 3 months 2 people I knew went down that path it's very sad so please PH folk if your low and don't want to carry on please speak to a Dr first.

100% - there is always a path towards hope.

Its easy to make a statement like this, but having watched a father go through the last two agonising weeks of cancer, plus a friend with paranoid schizophrenia go though being sectioned twice, continually hearing voices and being well on his way to being sectioned a third time (at which point he took his own life), sometime death is peaceful release they deserve from pain. Yes, its hard for the people left behind, particularly in the second case, but there are cases when prolonging the physical and/or mental anguish is kind to nobody.

Edited by GliderRider on Friday 25th August 12:53

[Jasandjules]

BrettMRC said:

100% - there is always a path towards hope.

No, there is not. There are conditions that we know are going to result in a slow and painful death. And we also know that tehre is a limit to what can be achieved palliatively...

[JagLover]

Jasandjules said:

BrettMRC said:

100% - there is always a path towards hope.

No, there is not. There are conditions that we know are going to result in a slow and painful death. And we also know that tehre is a limit to what can be achieved palliatively...

I took it more as there is always a path toward hope if you are suffering from depression which for most is quite correct. There are a number of things that can knock you down, from job issues to relationship breakdowns, but there is hope of a better tomorrow.

[Gecko1978]

Yeah we are talking about suicide where mental health is the cause. Where you have a terminal illness like cancer death is inevitable whether you speed that up or not. With mental health death is an option but not a good one. So buying drugs online seems like a bad idea. Especially as you might not die but suffer for a long time due to said drugs

[pquinn]

What exactly was he selling them? I'd have thought there were other options available that would achieve the same thing before buying something from some random person online.

There's also the issue of just how much do you trust the person you're buying from? Not like they'll have a lot of Trustpilot reviews. If it's something noxious but not fully effective you could be really fked up, and if it does work but isn't 'clean' you'll be busy regretting it for a while but you're unlikely to be giving any feedback to future customers.

TL;DR - I'm pretty sure that if I did ever feel like going down this route it wouldn't involve buying unknown stuff from some Canadian oddball.

[Gareth79]

pquinn said:

What exactly was he selling them? I'd have thought there were other options available that would achieve the same thing before buying something from some random person online.

There's also the issue of just how much do you trust the person you're buying from? Not like they'll have a lot of Trustpilot reviews. If it's something noxious but not fully effective you could be really fked up, and if it does work but isn't 'clean' you'll be busy regretting it for a while but you're unlikely to be giving any feedback to future customers.

TL;DR - I'm pretty sure that if I did ever feel like going down this route it wouldn't involve buying unknown stuff from some Canadian oddball.

Sodium nitrite, amongst other things: https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/here-s-why-the-world-wi...

It seems he wasn't a random seller of drugs on the "dark web", he was known and as trusted as it might be possible in the circumstances.

[Don Roque]

The law in this country really needs to change to allow for suicide/assisted dying. Human life is not sacred and if someone wants to die, perhaps it is time for the law and society as a whole to respect their wishes.

[Silvanus]

Don Roque said:

The law in this country really needs to change to allow for suicide/assisted dying. Human life is not sacred and if someone wants to die, perhaps it is time for the law and society as a whole to respect their wishes.

I agree that assisted dying laws need to change. However, in cases where depression (or similar) was the cause of suicide, I don't think this should be an option. There many people who have been close to or, attempted to take their own life, who have gone on to have a very happy and fulfilling lives. Terminal illnesses or debilitating pain are a different matter.

[pquinn]

Silvanus said:

Don Roque said:

The law in this country really needs to change to allow for suicide/assisted dying. Human life is not sacred and if someone wants to die, perhaps it is time for the law and society as a whole to respect their wishes.

I agree that assisted dying laws need to change. However, in cases where depression (or similar) was the cause of suicide, I don't think this should be an option. There many people who have been close to or, attempted to take their own life, who have gone on to have a very happy and fulfilling lives. Terminal illnesses or debilitating pain are a different matter.

As has been proven elsewhere, while it starts out with noble intent only meant for the worst cases it usually ends up broadening to include all the things objectees are concerned might happen.

The moral spin is easy but some people are a bit too keen on handing out terminal 'help' as a solution instead of taking other routes.