ULEZ - snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
Discussion
I live on the border of the original, so I'm essentially one road outside of it, but if I go to certain shops, bars I get pinged (think 5 minute drive/ride and it's 12:50)- as I said in the other thread - the unintended consequences are that people are just masking numberplates.
Regular, normally law abiding types.
So many people now are either covering up one number/letter with a square of gaffa or electrical tape.
Some people have cars that work and cars that don't work in the same household (both perfectly legal) - so they're just swapping number plates across the vehicles............
Which is great, but now as so many doing it , the police can't stop everyone, and genuine bad people doing bad things will be hidden in the noise.
When it extends.......then I would be entirely inside of it, and thus the problem is bigger, as it wouldn't be so easy for a person inclined to tape up a number plate and then remove it once through the camera.
Regular, normally law abiding types.
So many people now are either covering up one number/letter with a square of gaffa or electrical tape.
Some people have cars that work and cars that don't work in the same household (both perfectly legal) - so they're just swapping number plates across the vehicles............
Which is great, but now as so many doing it , the police can't stop everyone, and genuine bad people doing bad things will be hidden in the noise.
When it extends.......then I would be entirely inside of it, and thus the problem is bigger, as it wouldn't be so easy for a person inclined to tape up a number plate and then remove it once through the camera.
If you watch the YouTube videos of Mayor's Question Time, you will see how he wants people to know he does not answer to anyone. He is above scrutiny. London has become his fiefdom and he will not be stopped.
He simply gives instruction to his minions to execute his vanity projects through any means necessary. When questioned about specifics he does not have the answer and seems proud because he is simply the visionary and decision maker. He does not deal with details (ie people).
He simply gives instruction to his minions to execute his vanity projects through any means necessary. When questioned about specifics he does not have the answer and seems proud because he is simply the visionary and decision maker. He does not deal with details (ie people).
[quote=The Selfish Gene
Some people have cars that work and cars that don't work in the same household (both perfectly legal) - so they're just swapping number plates across the vehicles............
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That is really interesting.
Obviously totally illegal!
TFL must be aware that this was going to happen and I wonder how they are going to detect this?
Some people have cars that work and cars that don't work in the same household (both perfectly legal) - so they're just swapping number plates across the vehicles............
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That is really interesting.
Obviously totally illegal!
TFL must be aware that this was going to happen and I wonder how they are going to detect this?
Biker 1 said:
Will people really alter their numberplates en-masse??
It wouldn't surprise me to hear about the odd defaced plate, but the general public turning to this sort of thing?
I mean, we would have to define en-masse............we belong to a local community group (think, maybe 200 houses) and it is openly discussed.It wouldn't surprise me to hear about the odd defaced plate, but the general public turning to this sort of thing?
As I also said on the other thread , the cameras have been taken down at least twice so at the minute if people are paying they are wasting their money, but sadly the won't know that, unless they know to check the cameras have been disabled.
greenmantle said:
That is really interesting.
Obviously totally illegal!
TFL must be aware that this was going to happen and I wonder how they are going to detect this?
Apologies, I meant both vehicles in their own right are totally legal. (Tax'd insured etc) - just one of them doesn't meet the angry little gremlin's random rules. So - by getting an extra set of plates of the car that is exempt, and fitting them to the non exempt car..........it doesn't trigger any ANPR or indeed the ULez camera.Obviously totally illegal!
TFL must be aware that this was going to happen and I wonder how they are going to detect this?
Obviously if the person was stopped in say a Defender, with Hyundai plates they'd be in trouble..........but the risk is the risk and each person takes that risk knowingly.
I believe the trick is to have them easily detachable, so that you can throw them in the boot when parked up etc, thus reducing the risk of being spotted whilst parked etc
Looks a lot better than not having number plates at all etc
As a general thing, people will find a way around silly rules
The Selfish Gene said:
As a general thing, people will find a way around silly rules
The average Brit would tut and roll their eyes while someone plunges a filleting knife into their belly and strangles them with their own giblets. And they may only do that when they think no one's watching. The Selfish Gene said:
Apologies, I meant both vehicles in their own right are totally legal. (Tax'd insured etc) - just one of them doesn't meet the angry little gremlin's random rules. So - by getting an extra set of plates of the car that is exempt, and fitting them to the non exempt car..........it doesn't trigger any ANPR or indeed the ULez camera.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Biker 1 said:
Will people really alter their numberplates en-masse??
It wouldn't surprise me to hear about the odd defaced plate, but the general public turning to this sort of thing?
No just a few criminal types.It wouldn't surprise me to hear about the odd defaced plate, but the general public turning to this sort of thing?
Therefore all the more reason to do it!
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: No just a few criminal types.
some people have different lines to others..... some people speed a little, some people don't pay for parking. Some people get cash for a job and don't tell the tax man. Some people lie on the electoral role
Some people cut cameras down...
Some people evade what they consider an unfair tax for dubious reasons with invalid science such as ULEZ.
Life is a colourful adventure, and I'm all for the sport of it.
Greenmantle said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Biker 1 said:
Will people really alter their numberplates en-masse??
It wouldn't surprise me to hear about the odd defaced plate, but the general public turning to this sort of thing?
No just a few criminal types.It wouldn't surprise me to hear about the odd defaced plate, but the general public turning to this sort of thing?
Therefore all the more reason to do it!
I expect they’ll be a police presence to combat this.
James6112 said:
Greenmantle said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Biker 1 said:
Will people really alter their numberplates en-masse??
It wouldn't surprise me to hear about the odd defaced plate, but the general public turning to this sort of thing?
No just a few criminal types.It wouldn't surprise me to hear about the odd defaced plate, but the general public turning to this sort of thing?
Therefore all the more reason to do it!
I expect they’ll be a police presence to combat this.
The risk of beating the silly rules will skew in the favour of the 'criminals'.
Biker 1 said:
Will people really alter their numberplates en-masse??
It wouldn't surprise me to hear about the odd defaced plate, but the general public turning to this sort of thing?
It's in the nature of the deception that we will never know the extent to which the public will falsify plates and find other ways to circumvent this law - we will hear about a few but I suspect the numbers will be far greater.It wouldn't surprise me to hear about the odd defaced plate, but the general public turning to this sort of thing?
If a law is perceived as unjust, and affecting the poorest in society the greatest as is the case here, folk will find a way around it. Natural justice if you like.
....I have a feeling this will turn out to be Citizen Khan's poll tax moment
The Selfish Gene said:
Apologies, I meant both vehicles in their own right are totally legal. (Tax'd insured etc) - just one of them doesn't meet the angry little gremlin's random rules. So - by getting an extra set of plates of the car that is exempt, and fitting them to the non exempt car..........it doesn't trigger any ANPR or indeed the ULez camera.
Obviously if the person was stopped in say a Defender, with Hyundai plates they'd be in trouble..........but the risk is the risk and each person takes that risk knowingly.
I believe the trick is to have them easily detachable, so that you can throw them in the boot when parked up etc, thus reducing the risk of being spotted whilst parked etc
Looks a lot better than not having number plates at all etc
As a general thing, people will find a way around silly rules
99.999% of people would not be arsed to do this. They'll have enough to be getting on with, without changing plates every time they're parked up.Obviously if the person was stopped in say a Defender, with Hyundai plates they'd be in trouble..........but the risk is the risk and each person takes that risk knowingly.
I believe the trick is to have them easily detachable, so that you can throw them in the boot when parked up etc, thus reducing the risk of being spotted whilst parked etc
Looks a lot better than not having number plates at all etc
As a general thing, people will find a way around silly rules
Mental.
I've never seen a single issue unite so many people across the political spectrum, the charges mainly affect the lower socioeconomic groups which generally tend to vote Labour so this could cost them the general election as others in the country won't want the be charged £12.50 daily to commute or visit relatives.
Where I live the ULEZ camera's are staying up just a matter of hours after being installed before the whole unit is taken, interestingly enough they've even somehow removed an LEZ camera which had been previously been there for years without any incident as well.
https://goo.gl/maps/WY2EekDvZwCeVyFGA
Considering they likely cost TFL £5k+ per camera to purchase and install I can't see it being economically viable for them to keep on replacing the damaged/stolen units.
Where I live the ULEZ camera's are staying up just a matter of hours after being installed before the whole unit is taken, interestingly enough they've even somehow removed an LEZ camera which had been previously been there for years without any incident as well.
https://goo.gl/maps/WY2EekDvZwCeVyFGA
Considering they likely cost TFL £5k+ per camera to purchase and install I can't see it being economically viable for them to keep on replacing the damaged/stolen units.
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