Crime - together we'll... oh, wait...
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Co-op boss warns shop crime is ‘out of control’ as one store is looted three times in one day
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/co-op-...
Regular followers of my posts will know this is one of my hobby horses: that if you let go of care for the fabric of society, and especially the needs of the poorest, then crime is the inevitable result.
And here we are. As night follows day.
Never mind anything else: between 2010 and 2019, the number of officers per 100k population collapsed by 23%! Sure there's a recruitment drive on now, but it will take years to get back to the necessary levels.
In our society, there simply isn't any quick solution to this once it starts getting away from us. We're not going to countenance armed guards. There aren't enough Police. PCSCOs sit in cars rather than attending.
We have to go back to creating a more equal society. We have to create genuine opportunity. We have to stop dismissing people as "scrotes" or worse, and understand that we don't get to deport people - we have to live alongside them.
And, yes, we need more police. But we also need to do everything we can to create a society in which crime is reported, not tolerated or glorified.
I'd like to say I'm staggered we have headlines like this. But I'm not. And see also the TikTok / Oxford Street bru-ha-ha today, too. This has the potential to get away from us all very fast - and no amount of "hard talk" from the Home Secretary is going to make the slightest difference.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/co-op-...
Regular followers of my posts will know this is one of my hobby horses: that if you let go of care for the fabric of society, and especially the needs of the poorest, then crime is the inevitable result.
And here we are. As night follows day.
Never mind anything else: between 2010 and 2019, the number of officers per 100k population collapsed by 23%! Sure there's a recruitment drive on now, but it will take years to get back to the necessary levels.
In our society, there simply isn't any quick solution to this once it starts getting away from us. We're not going to countenance armed guards. There aren't enough Police. PCSCOs sit in cars rather than attending.
We have to go back to creating a more equal society. We have to create genuine opportunity. We have to stop dismissing people as "scrotes" or worse, and understand that we don't get to deport people - we have to live alongside them.
And, yes, we need more police. But we also need to do everything we can to create a society in which crime is reported, not tolerated or glorified.
I'd like to say I'm staggered we have headlines like this. But I'm not. And see also the TikTok / Oxford Street bru-ha-ha today, too. This has the potential to get away from us all very fast - and no amount of "hard talk" from the Home Secretary is going to make the slightest difference.
Olivera said:
The tories recent track record of underfunding the police and criminal justice system has been utterly abject, hence they deserve a lot the blame. Unfortunately the resultant de-facto decriminalisation of low level crimes has only emboldened the degenerate scrote underclass.
Apparently it’s all the fault of the parents and quite possibly Gary Lineker. What’s happened to our CJS is shameful and it undermines everything a decent, confident society stands for. skwdenyer said:
Co-op boss warns shop crime is ‘out of control’ as one store is looted three times in one day
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/co-op-...
Regular followers of my posts will know this is one of my hobby horses: that if you let go of care for the fabric of society, and especially the needs of the poorest, then crime is the inevitable result.
And here we are. As night follows day.
Never mind anything else: between 2010 and 2019, the number of officers per 100k population collapsed by 23%! Sure there's a recruitment drive on now, but it will take years to get back to the necessary levels.
In our society, there simply isn't any quick solution to this once it starts getting away from us. We're not going to countenance armed guards. There aren't enough Police. PCSCOs sit in cars rather than attending.
We have to go back to creating a more equal society. We have to create genuine opportunity. We have to stop dismissing people as "scrotes" or worse, and understand that we don't get to deport people - we have to live alongside them.
And, yes, we need more police. But we also need to do everything we can to create a society in which crime is reported, not tolerated or glorified.
I'd like to say I'm staggered we have headlines like this. But I'm not. And see also the TikTok / Oxford Street bru-ha-ha today, too. This has the potential to get away from us all very fast - and no amount of "hard talk" from the Home Secretary is going to make the slightest difference.
If you look on twitter you will see this is bigger than just a UK problem. I’ve watched countless shops being ransacked by big groups of young blacks, mostly with people / staff being too scared to intervene. Looking at the crowd in Oxford street it’s the same demographic. Until we get very tough on offenders nothing will change.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/co-op-...
Regular followers of my posts will know this is one of my hobby horses: that if you let go of care for the fabric of society, and especially the needs of the poorest, then crime is the inevitable result.
And here we are. As night follows day.
Never mind anything else: between 2010 and 2019, the number of officers per 100k population collapsed by 23%! Sure there's a recruitment drive on now, but it will take years to get back to the necessary levels.
In our society, there simply isn't any quick solution to this once it starts getting away from us. We're not going to countenance armed guards. There aren't enough Police. PCSCOs sit in cars rather than attending.
We have to go back to creating a more equal society. We have to create genuine opportunity. We have to stop dismissing people as "scrotes" or worse, and understand that we don't get to deport people - we have to live alongside them.
And, yes, we need more police. But we also need to do everything we can to create a society in which crime is reported, not tolerated or glorified.
I'd like to say I'm staggered we have headlines like this. But I'm not. And see also the TikTok / Oxford Street bru-ha-ha today, too. This has the potential to get away from us all very fast - and no amount of "hard talk" from the Home Secretary is going to make the slightest difference.
Four Litre said:
If you look on twitter you will see this is bigger than just a UK problem. I’ve watched countless shops being ransacked by big groups of young blacks, mostly with people / staff being too scared to intervene. Looking at the crowd in Oxford street it’s the same demographic. Until we get very tough on offenders nothing will change.
We need to get touch on “young blacks”?Four Litre said:
skwdenyer said:
Co-op boss warns shop crime is ‘out of control’ as one store is looted three times in one day
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/co-op-...
Regular followers of my posts will know this is one of my hobby horses: that if you let go of care for the fabric of society, and especially the needs of the poorest, then crime is the inevitable result.
And here we are. As night follows day.
Never mind anything else: between 2010 and 2019, the number of officers per 100k population collapsed by 23%! Sure there's a recruitment drive on now, but it will take years to get back to the necessary levels.
In our society, there simply isn't any quick solution to this once it starts getting away from us. We're not going to countenance armed guards. There aren't enough Police. PCSCOs sit in cars rather than attending.
We have to go back to creating a more equal society. We have to create genuine opportunity. We have to stop dismissing people as "scrotes" or worse, and understand that we don't get to deport people - we have to live alongside them.
And, yes, we need more police. But we also need to do everything we can to create a society in which crime is reported, not tolerated or glorified.
I'd like to say I'm staggered we have headlines like this. But I'm not. And see also the TikTok / Oxford Street bru-ha-ha today, too. This has the potential to get away from us all very fast - and no amount of "hard talk" from the Home Secretary is going to make the slightest difference.
If you look on twitter you will see this is bigger than just a UK problem. I’ve watched countless shops being ransacked by big groups of young blacks, mostly with people / staff being too scared to intervene. Looking at the crowd in Oxford street it’s the same demographic. Until we get very tough on offenders nothing will change.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/co-op-...
Regular followers of my posts will know this is one of my hobby horses: that if you let go of care for the fabric of society, and especially the needs of the poorest, then crime is the inevitable result.
And here we are. As night follows day.
Never mind anything else: between 2010 and 2019, the number of officers per 100k population collapsed by 23%! Sure there's a recruitment drive on now, but it will take years to get back to the necessary levels.
In our society, there simply isn't any quick solution to this once it starts getting away from us. We're not going to countenance armed guards. There aren't enough Police. PCSCOs sit in cars rather than attending.
We have to go back to creating a more equal society. We have to create genuine opportunity. We have to stop dismissing people as "scrotes" or worse, and understand that we don't get to deport people - we have to live alongside them.
And, yes, we need more police. But we also need to do everything we can to create a society in which crime is reported, not tolerated or glorified.
I'd like to say I'm staggered we have headlines like this. But I'm not. And see also the TikTok / Oxford Street bru-ha-ha today, too. This has the potential to get away from us all very fast - and no amount of "hard talk" from the Home Secretary is going to make the slightest difference.
David87 said:
Only need to look at San Francisco to see how bad things can get.
Here in NYC (and SF), go into any CVS, or Duane Reade pharmacy, and the stuff is under lock and key. And by 'the stuff' I don't mean prescription drugs, I mean everyday items, like antiperspirant, toothpaste, soap, shower gel, razor blades, and shampoo. All in locked cabinets with buttons to push multiple times until a storeperson comes to unlock to get what you want. Yesterday in the supermarket I had to wait for someone to come unlock a cabinet for laundry detergent.
It's mad.
skwdenyer said:
Four Litre said:
If you look on twitter you will see this is bigger than just a UK problem. I’ve watched countless shops being ransacked by big groups of young blacks, mostly with people / staff being too scared to intervene. Looking at the crowd in Oxford street it’s the same demographic. Until we get very tough on offenders nothing will change.
We need to get touch on “young blacks”?- get tough on the people committing crime, yes, but
- do the harder, more expensive work to tackle why such a group feels that society is something to take from, not contribute to.
If people want to come on here and split hairs about which particular groups are or aren't committing these crimes, the fine.
The young blacks four litre is referring to are obviously the cohort of young black people videoed carrying out these types of robberies. The context is obvious, and would need a lorry load of pig headedness to overlook. Or someone just trolling for an argument, (which is a shame as the opening post was actually trying to address a sensible issue).
Fwiw I'm sure there are older, and non black people committing crimes.
My workplace has spent a lot of money building data on residents so they can understand their needs better.
It would appear sensible that efforts to address why society is getting so fractured are targeted at the areas of need.
And yes, that might - heaven forbid- demonstrate the poorest with least opportunity for employment and most at risk to get sucked into crime are young black people.
Oh no! I've said "black people"! Does that make me a racist so people will spend the next 10 pages multi quoting me?
Or can people actually have a conversation about this topic without being overly dramatic?
A colleague of mine had a good expression: you're either pulling the cart, or on the cart. The problem as I see it is that we are a "wealthy" economy, where people feel entitled to live a wealthy lifestyle.
But there is just a lot of people "on the cart" being pulled. Obviously if the ratio of pullers to passe gets gets too high, the cart stops.
What work is there for UK citizens who don't come out of education that well? All the hard graft jobs in industry, agriculture etc jobs just aren't there like they were a couple of generations ago.
Those scenes the other day with yoofs running around causing all sorts of trouble (riot), the police in there with the dogs and big sticks to beat the s
te out them would soon learn these people a valuable life lesson and when they attend the hospital to treat their injurys make them pay for it...if you do wrong you get severely punished for it.
No namby pamby counciling is going to change any criminal's outlook...people must be stupid if they think this.
te out them would soon learn these people a valuable life lesson and when they attend the hospital to treat their injurys make them pay for it...if you do wrong you get severely punished for it.No namby pamby counciling is going to change any criminal's outlook...people must be stupid if they think this.
Klippie said:
Those scenes the other day with yoofs running around causing all sorts of trouble (riot), the police in there with the dogs and big sticks to beat the ste out them would soon learn these people a valuable life lesson and when they attend the hospital to treat their injurys make them pay for it...if you do wrong you get severely punished for it.
No namby pamby counciling is going to change any criminal's outlook...people must be stupid if they think this.
Did you physically eat a copy of the daily mail this morning, or am I getting incapable of detecting obvious sarcasm due to the quantity of this kind of bullste out them would soon learn these people a valuable life lesson and when they attend the hospital to treat their injurys make them pay for it...if you do wrong you get severely punished for it.No namby pamby counciling is going to change any criminal's outlook...people must be stupid if they think this.
t being put out.Ian Geary said:
- get tough on the people committing crime, yes, but
- do the harder, more expensive work to tackle why such a group feels that society is something to take from, not contribute to.
lots of other good stuff....
Good post, as was the opening post. We neglect the issue as a society because it's apparently just too difficult to address. Or it doesn't win any votes.- do the harder, more expensive work to tackle why such a group feels that society is something to take from, not contribute to.
lots of other good stuff....
It's certainly a thorny problem, made more difficult by the sensitivities around race. I read somewhere a suggestion that more youth clubs would stop the problem, it goes much deeper than that I feel.
Why do these kids feel it's OK to loot shops? I suspect when you tell a group of people they've victims (of 'systemic racism', 'colonialism', 'white supremacy' etc.) then it legitimises all kinds of behaviour that otherwise wouldn't be acceptable. There may well be disadvantages to being black in the UK, there certainly were 30 years ago - my (afro-carribean) ex-partner was only too aware of it in the 90s (as a white man with a black woman, we were on the end of some appalling racism from both white and black) - some vestiges still remain, I'm sure.
However the grievance industry that's grown up recently around intersectionality is, as far as I can see, highly toxic, separating people into groups who are oppressed or oppressor, the oppressed being owed something by their oppressors, and in the most extreme examples that the oppressors can never be forgiven.
So when your life isn't perfect, you don't have the lifestyle you see on Insta, Tiktok etc. who's to blame? You or the 'oppressor'? If the latter then surely it's fine to go and 'fight the system' and in the process, bag yourself a new iPad.........
Klippie said:
Those scenes the other day with yoofs running around causing all sorts of trouble (riot), the police in there with the dogs and big sticks to beat the ste out them would soon learn these people a valuable life lesson and when they attend the hospital to treat their injurys make them pay for it...if you do wrong you get severely punished for it.
No namby pamby counciling is going to change any criminal's outlook...people must be stupid if they think this.
This would be a great look in Oxford Street and would definitely encourage tourists to visit the UK and spend their money. te out them would soon learn these people a valuable life lesson and when they attend the hospital to treat their injurys make them pay for it...if you do wrong you get severely punished for it.No namby pamby counciling is going to change any criminal's outlook...people must be stupid if they think this.
There is nothing quite like seeing the local police beating up some teenagers to encourage you to return to a country. Throw in a few dogs to make it even more exciting.
My sister's a copper. She's on decent money, 46k I think, which isn't bad for a northern sink town.
She can't wait to leave, luckily (or unluckily depending on how you look at it) she's young enough not to be on the pension trap yet.
It's going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better, if it gets better.
I don't know how most people are surviving at the moment. We're a 2 fulltime income household, no mortgage, no car payment, no luxuries at all except for we go on a few more holidays than most and there's literally no money left at the end of every month.
She can't wait to leave, luckily (or unluckily depending on how you look at it) she's young enough not to be on the pension trap yet.
It's going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better, if it gets better.
I don't know how most people are surviving at the moment. We're a 2 fulltime income household, no mortgage, no car payment, no luxuries at all except for we go on a few more holidays than most and there's literally no money left at the end of every month.
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