Jesse Lingard 6 Points for Not IDing driver

[Oliver Hardy]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/jesse-lingar...

Seems harsh to me 6 points for not IDing the driver of a car registered to him.

He says the letter from the police asking for drivers details went to an address he was not living at, at the time.

Yet watching programs like Interceptors they show drivers regularly getting away with offences because people in the car won't ID the driver.

[Cold]

That's the standard penalty isn't it? I'm not sure if that is particularly harsh, especially when using the "Dog Ate My Homework" defence.

[ChocolateFrog]

I assume it was less than he stood to get from the actual offence.

[fridaypassion]

To be fair the system needs changing to reflect people's lifestyle.

I had an incident recently which is subject to an ongoing complaint but I got a pull and a 3 pointer through the post. I would like to have gone to court with it but I'm really busy and the timescale that was allowed was only I think 4 weeks. Now for a lot of lucky people this might seen like a long time but for me I have two business to run plus a week of that I was on holiday. Things like this are a top priority for the state but to me very unimportant I have much bigger fish to fry than satisfying speeding taxes. In the end I just didn't have time to dedicate to it and now have 3 points I was given by a lying police officer.

Someone who's living across 2 addresses plus might be traveling yeah it's very easy for me to see why this could get genuinely forgotten and there should be leeway given.

It's a travesty that they can apply points for failing to provide it's hard enough these days to keep it a clean sheet with actual driving points.

[Drumroll]

The legal system isn't run for your convenience. You had the choice to attend court, you just decided not to.

[Drumroll]

Oliver Hardy said:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/jesse-lingar...

Seems harsh to me 6 points for not IDing the driver of a car registered to him.

He says the letter from the police asking for drivers details went to an address he was not living at, at the time.

Yet watching programs like Interceptors they show drivers regularly getting away with offences because people in the car won't ID the driver.

Different laws apply, that is why he got banned and the scrootes often get away with it.

[Biker 1]

I occasionally watch some of the cops & robbers stuff on TV, more often than not on channel 5. It always amazes me how light the punishments seem to be for the scrotes, many obvious offences resulting in no further action due to lack of evidence.

[fridaypassion]

Drumroll said:

The legal system isn't run for your convenience. You had the choice to attend court, you just decided not to.

Well actually if you think about that for a second it should be run for our convenience as we own it and pay for it as tax payers. Especially with regards to road traffic infringements this isn't" crime" it's more of a commercial service than a strict legal one and we are it's reluctant customers.

All of these state run bodies forget who works for who I think only the NHS actually understand that they are a service to the people that pay for it.

I appreciate that for many you might wonder how someone can be so busy that 4 weeks is not enough time to resolve petty matters like this but believe me it's not. Sooner of us genuinely do have busy lives and there are far more important things that need dealing with.

[Gweeds]

“Some of us are too busy to attend court and these things should be run for our convenience”

Comedy. Gold.

[tangerine_sedge]

fridaypassion said:

Drumroll said:

The legal system isn't run for your convenience. You had the choice to attend court, you just decided not to.

Well actually if you think about that for a second it should be run for our convenience as we own it and pay for it as tax payers. Especially with regards to road traffic infringements this isn't" crime" it's more of a commercial service than a strict legal one and we are it's reluctant customers.

All of these state run bodies forget who works for who I think only the NHS actually understand that they are a service to the people that pay for it.

I appreciate that for many you might wonder how someone can be so busy that 4 weeks is not enough time to resolve petty matters like this but believe me it's not. Sooner of us genuinely do have busy lives and there are far more important things that need dealing with.

How have you managed to find time to post here? Surely you've got some big business to close in Tokyo or Paris or Croyden or somewhere?

This place never seems to slow-down in producing new comedians.

[fridaypassion]

Wouldn't expect proletarian support on this one in realistic and I've been on here a long time

Lingard will get little support such is the politics of envy we have in the UK.

This is how Germany started going wrong all those years back

[Condi]

fridaypassion said:

I had an incident recently which is subject to an ongoing complaint but I got a pull and a 3 pointer through the post. I would like to have gone to court with it but I'm really busy and the timescale that was allowed was only I think 4 weeks. Now for a lot of lucky people this might seen like a long time but for me I have two business to run plus a week of that I was on holiday. Things like this are a top priority for the state but to me very unimportant I have much bigger fish to fry than satisfying speeding taxes. In the end I just didn't have time to dedicate to it and now have 3 points I was given by a lying police officer.

Maybe due a parrot here, but I doubt you're going to get sympathy when had time to go on holiday but didn't have time to send back a letter (or can probably do it online?) contesting the fine.

[pork911]

fridaypassion said:

It's a travesty that they can apply points for failing to provide it's hard enough these days to keep it a clean sheet with actual driving points.

Admin and driving are fairly easy to manage and control.

Obviously more difficult to juggle two businesses and a holiday along with attending a hearing to oppose points due to a lying police officer.

[fridaypassion]

Condi said:

Maybe due a parrot here, but I doubt you're going to get sympathy when had time to go on holiday but didn't have time to send back a letter (or can probably do it online?) contesting the fine.

Well that's more important?

Why should I drop everything? I'm not saying it's not important and to not deal with it I'm saying simply that 4 weeks to sort it and make a decision is not long.

Now if you request a court date can the courts be ready for you in 4 weeks? No more like 6 months. So if 4 weeks should be long enough why can't they do it in the timescale they expect from you?

So I'm my example

I'm busy as fk
It's only a 3 pointer but in reasonably complicated circumstances with a lot of decision making and research needed.
I'm on holiday for 7 of the 30 days
Would need to take legal advice probably take a week or two to get an appointment

All of a sudden that 4 weeks is not long. That's all I'm saying is that 4 weeks should be changed to reflect that in the modern work people can be busy. Hell a lot of people that says split their time between two houses or even two countries so this timescale is tight for some myself included.

If you lead a life where you have lots of free time well good for you but I and many others don't.

[pork911]

fridaypassion said:

Wouldn't expect proletarian support on this one in realistic and I've been on here a long time

Lingard will get little support such is the politics of envy we have in the UK.

This is how Germany started going wrong all those years back

Proles love a cheap holiday darling

[Gweeds]

fridaypassion said:

Wouldn't expect proletarian support on this one in realistic and I've been on here a long time

Lingard will get little support such is the politics of envy we have in the UK.

This is how Germany started going wrong all those years back

Good grief

The courts not rearranging themselves for you is how the Nazis got started.

Genius.

[wong]

Condi said:

fridaypassion said:

I had an incident recently which is subject to an ongoing complaint but I got a pull and a 3 pointer through the post. I would like to have gone to court with it but I'm really busy and the timescale that was allowed was only I think 4 weeks. Now for a lot of lucky people this might seen like a long time but for me I have two business to run plus a week of that I was on holiday. Things like this are a top priority for the state but to me very unimportant I have much bigger fish to fry than satisfying speeding taxes. In the end I just didn't have time to dedicate to it and now have 3 points I was given by a lying police officer.

Maybe due a parrot here, but I doubt you're going to get sympathy when had time to go on holiday but didn't have time to send back a letter (or can probably do it online?) contesting the fine.

If I'm that busy, I'd employ a driver. Then I could work instead of wasting time driving. No, I'd get two drivers because one driver may need rest days, holidays etc.

[pork911]

fridaypassion said:

4 weeks to sort it and make a decision is not long.

What businesses are you in?

[Biggy Stardust]

fridaypassion said:

Drumroll said:

The legal system isn't run for your convenience. You had the choice to attend court, you just decided not to.

Well actually if you think about that for a second it should be run for our convenience as we own it and pay for it as tax payers. Especially with regards to road traffic infringements this isn't" crime" it's more of a commercial service than a strict legal one and we are it's reluctant customers.

All of these state run bodies forget who works for who I think only the NHS actually understand that they are a service to the people that pay for it.

I appreciate that for many you might wonder how someone can be so busy that 4 weeks is not enough time to resolve petty matters like this but believe me it's not. Sooner of us genuinely do have busy lives and there are far more important things that need dealing with.

If you commit an offence then you need to accept the consequences rather than complaining that the penalties aren't convenient.

Grow up.

[Gareth79]

fridaypassion said:

It's only a 3 pointer but in reasonably complicated circumstances with a lot of decision making and research needed.
I'm on holiday for 7 of the 30 days
Would need to take legal advice probably take a week or two to get an appointment

You don't need to take legal advice to return a form saying "yes I was driving the car at that time" and then "no, I decline the fixed penalty". Takes 5 minutes each, tops.

pork911 said:

fridaypassion said:

4 weeks to sort it and make a decision is not long.

What businesses are you in?

Activating speed cameras.