Retail crime out of control says co-op

Retail crime out of control says co-op

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s1962a

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5,682 posts

168 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66323140

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The Co-op said a Freedom of Information request had shown many police forces did not prioritise retail crime, with, on average, 71% of serious retail crime not responded to by police.
This is not surprising given the figures around how police aren't responding to car thefts either.

vikingaero

11,066 posts

175 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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I think of Co-ops as a local larder and wallet for all the scallies. Certainly there was a period about a decade ago when there would always be a cash machine robbery using diggers every few nights.

The scallies see robbing shops and supermarkets as their right. Supermarkets have been noticeably beefing up on theft - Aldi asking to see inside your bags, gates to leave self-service areas, and things are being security tagged left right and centre.

pavarotti1980

5,330 posts

90 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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s1962a said:
This is not surprising given the figures around how police aren't responding to car thefts either.
For the 2 local ones to me they could try and start with some prevention by stop putting all the alcohol 5 feet away from the door as an invite for the local scrotes to take as much as they like unchallenged

wyson

2,490 posts

110 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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Wasn’t the minimum limit £200 worth of goods stolen for the police to attend? So co op isn’t likely to stand a chance of getting anything investigated if people are stealing a couple of steaks and bottles of whiskey?

Niponeoff

2,404 posts

33 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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Baby milk powder is all security tagged in ours. Would have been nice to know who was nicking it because it cost a bloody fortune. Fortunately we got our youngest off it a bit quicker than the rest.

Skeptisk

8,087 posts

115 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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Friend said he was in California recently and there the cops have said that unless over $500 they won’t attend or arrest anyone. Basically all stores have to have private security and he said you often have to queue to get in.


Biggy Stardust

7,068 posts

50 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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s1962a said:
This is not surprising given the figures around how police aren't responding to car thefts either.
Are they still persecuting motorists & replying to hurty words on social media?

James6112

5,229 posts

34 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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My local one was done over a couple of times in recent years.
The hard men intimidating a typically older person or student part timer to nick a paltry amount in the scheme of things. Scum.

CoOp typically get a security guard for a few months following that.

Rinse & repeat.

Gecko1978

10,332 posts

163 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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Shop lifting has always been an issue for retailers (except costco) but in this case COOP are talking about looting people not even trying to hide the crime.

I have a vision of the future where amazon etc have those shops you just walk in and walk out no till it just bills you. They will be in nice areas. The rest of the country will have delivery only no shops to just walk into.

P-Jay

10,746 posts

197 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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I'm not surprised really. The local wrong 'uns just walk into ours, pick up what they want and walk out, they don't even try to hide it.

I'd guess staff are told not to get involved, the most that ever happens is when they're in the store a recoding plays to say some security firm or other is monitoring CCTV, but no one ever arrives.

I think the penny is starting to drop in the UK (although the crims have known this for a long time) the Police either don't have the resorces or care about all but violent crimes, and well motoring offences of course, but they're mostly automated now.


Bigends

5,638 posts

134 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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As a volume crime in the days of Police crime reduction/detection targets, shopliftings were attended and dealt with by arrest or in many case a fixed penalty ticket - keeping the detection rates up.
No targets to reach now, there's no will/incentive/resources to deal with them any more.

aeropilot

36,236 posts

233 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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P-Jay said:
I think the penny is starting to drop in the UK (although the crims have known this for a long time) the Police either don't have the resorces or care about all but violent crimes, and well motoring offences of course, but they're mostly automated now.
Given in the post financial crash years the Police Forces of England & Wales saw an average cut in numbers of 15% from 2010 to 2019 (while population keeps going up) its not surprising they don't have the resources, despite now trying to recruit more since Covid. The scrotes know this so take advantage, and as ever the law abiding citizens pay the price.
And that was 15% average, some forces saw less and others saw a lot more, East and West Midlands forces was something like 25% cut in numbers over this time.

highway

2,018 posts

266 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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I’ve seen big built security guards in supermarkets trying to deal with female shoplifters, aged 14 or 15. The girls were caught trying to steal booze. As soon as the guards approach them they started screaming - “Paedo” and shouting loudly they were being assaulted.
The guards don’t want that sort of aggro. You can see why. If they have to physically restrain or defend themselves the ‘child’ morphs into the victim and the guard becomes villified.
You see this pattern regularly now.
No one cares.

aeropilot

36,236 posts

233 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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highway said:
I’ve seen big built security guards in supermarkets trying to deal with female shoplifters, aged 14 or 15. The girls were caught trying to steal booze. As soon as the guards approach them they started screaming - “Paedo” and shouting loudly they were being assaulted.
The guards don’t want that sort of aggro. You can see why. If they have to physically restrain or defend themselves the ‘child’ morphs into the victim and the guard becomes villified.
You see this pattern regularly now.
No one cares.
Its more important we as a society protect the criminals committing the crimes instead of the victims of it......rolleyes


Grumps.

8,983 posts

42 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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Local lass in our local coop ended up in A&E after tackling one of these inbred scum.

fat80b

2,436 posts

227 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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P-Jay said:
I'm not surprised really. The local wrong 'uns just walk into ours, pick up what they want and walk out, they don't even try to hide it.
This. The co-op a couple of doors down from us is constantly under attack.

I’ve witnessed a chap walk in, grab 2 x 4packs of lager and just walk out. He didn’t even try to run.

A member of staff followed him out of the door, at which point the scrote offered one of the 4 packs back to the staff member.

Turns out that was a deal. The thief gets to keep half and the shop recovered half.

It happens all the time. I regularly return baskets to them that have been dumped round the corner.

Oliver Hardy

2,983 posts

80 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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Skeptisk said:
Friend said he was in California recently and there the cops have said that unless over $500 they won’t attend or arrest anyone. Basically all stores have to have private security and he said you often have to queue to get in.
I believe in California they don't prosecute any crimes if the value is under $1,000?

Earthdweller

14,208 posts

132 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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Bigends said:
As a volume crime in the days of Police crime reduction/detection targets, shopliftings were attended and dealt with by arrest or in many case a fixed penalty ticket - keeping the detection rates up.
No targets to reach now, there's no will/incentive/resources to deal with them any more.
i think it’s more than that

the political direction from the HO and then senior command and the movement towards the threat/harm/risk view of crimes definitely saw retail crime as a very low priority and a “victimless” crime and therefore not worthy of police action

it was/is considered something that is preventable and businesses should be doing more to stop thefts

the emphasis was clearly placed on harm .. and if someone was upset by hurty words on facebook then they had suffered more harm than a shopkeeper who lost some stock .. so that is where the resources go

personally i think it is wrong and over simplistic, but hey me thinking they’ve lost the plot changes nothing unfortunately

Oakey

27,759 posts

222 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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It's organised, they know the police won't deal with anything below £200 so you have teams just going in, shoving stuff in those foil bags and walking out. There's a guy near me fencing this stuff, it's like Crackhead Costco. Baby formula half price? Cheap washing powder? Toiletries? Steaks? He has the lot.

Otispunkmeyer

12,941 posts

161 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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Oliver Hardy said:
Skeptisk said:
Friend said he was in California recently and there the cops have said that unless over $500 they won’t attend or arrest anyone. Basically all stores have to have private security and he said you often have to queue to get in.
I believe in California they don't prosecute any crimes if the value is under $1,000?
Granted I am not from the US, but when I was last in CA, our rental car got broken into and about £4k worth of stuff (mine and works laptops and other bits) was stolen.

No police. Just fill in the crime report online and someone looks at it, gives you a phone call and then you have a sheet of paper you can show the insurance company. That was it. Apparently scrotes come from Oakland and just target stuff with out of state plates. Smash and grabs in broad daylight in front of all and sundry. Its that brazen.