Retail crime out of control says co-op
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66323140
article said:
The Co-op said a Freedom of Information request had shown many police forces did not prioritise retail crime, with, on average, 71% of serious retail crime not responded to by police.
This is not surprising given the figures around how police aren't responding to car thefts either.I think of Co-ops as a local larder and wallet for all the scallies. Certainly there was a period about a decade ago when there would always be a cash machine robbery using diggers every few nights.
The scallies see robbing shops and supermarkets as their right. Supermarkets have been noticeably beefing up on theft - Aldi asking to see inside your bags, gates to leave self-service areas, and things are being security tagged left right and centre.
The scallies see robbing shops and supermarkets as their right. Supermarkets have been noticeably beefing up on theft - Aldi asking to see inside your bags, gates to leave self-service areas, and things are being security tagged left right and centre.
s1962a said:
This is not surprising given the figures around how police aren't responding to car thefts either.
For the 2 local ones to me they could try and start with some prevention by stop putting all the alcohol 5 feet away from the door as an invite for the local scrotes to take as much as they like unchallengedShop lifting has always been an issue for retailers (except costco) but in this case COOP are talking about looting people not even trying to hide the crime.
I have a vision of the future where amazon etc have those shops you just walk in and walk out no till it just bills you. They will be in nice areas. The rest of the country will have delivery only no shops to just walk into.
I have a vision of the future where amazon etc have those shops you just walk in and walk out no till it just bills you. They will be in nice areas. The rest of the country will have delivery only no shops to just walk into.
I'm not surprised really. The local wrong 'uns just walk into ours, pick up what they want and walk out, they don't even try to hide it.
I'd guess staff are told not to get involved, the most that ever happens is when they're in the store a recoding plays to say some security firm or other is monitoring CCTV, but no one ever arrives.
I think the penny is starting to drop in the UK (although the crims have known this for a long time) the Police either don't have the resorces or care about all but violent crimes, and well motoring offences of course, but they're mostly automated now.
I'd guess staff are told not to get involved, the most that ever happens is when they're in the store a recoding plays to say some security firm or other is monitoring CCTV, but no one ever arrives.
I think the penny is starting to drop in the UK (although the crims have known this for a long time) the Police either don't have the resorces or care about all but violent crimes, and well motoring offences of course, but they're mostly automated now.
As a volume crime in the days of Police crime reduction/detection targets, shopliftings were attended and dealt with by arrest or in many case a fixed penalty ticket - keeping the detection rates up.
No targets to reach now, there's no will/incentive/resources to deal with them any more.
No targets to reach now, there's no will/incentive/resources to deal with them any more.
P-Jay said:
I think the penny is starting to drop in the UK (although the crims have known this for a long time) the Police either don't have the resorces or care about all but violent crimes, and well motoring offences of course, but they're mostly automated now.
Given in the post financial crash years the Police Forces of England & Wales saw an average cut in numbers of 15% from 2010 to 2019 (while population keeps going up) its not surprising they don't have the resources, despite now trying to recruit more since Covid. The scrotes know this so take advantage, and as ever the law abiding citizens pay the price.And that was 15% average, some forces saw less and others saw a lot more, East and West Midlands forces was something like 25% cut in numbers over this time.
I’ve seen big built security guards in supermarkets trying to deal with female shoplifters, aged 14 or 15. The girls were caught trying to steal booze. As soon as the guards approach them they started screaming - “Paedo” and shouting loudly they were being assaulted.
The guards don’t want that sort of aggro. You can see why. If they have to physically restrain or defend themselves the ‘child’ morphs into the victim and the guard becomes villified.
You see this pattern regularly now.
No one cares.
The guards don’t want that sort of aggro. You can see why. If they have to physically restrain or defend themselves the ‘child’ morphs into the victim and the guard becomes villified.
You see this pattern regularly now.
No one cares.
highway said:
I’ve seen big built security guards in supermarkets trying to deal with female shoplifters, aged 14 or 15. The girls were caught trying to steal booze. As soon as the guards approach them they started screaming - “Paedo” and shouting loudly they were being assaulted.
The guards don’t want that sort of aggro. You can see why. If they have to physically restrain or defend themselves the ‘child’ morphs into the victim and the guard becomes villified.
You see this pattern regularly now.
No one cares.
Its more important we as a society protect the criminals committing the crimes instead of the victims of it......The guards don’t want that sort of aggro. You can see why. If they have to physically restrain or defend themselves the ‘child’ morphs into the victim and the guard becomes villified.
You see this pattern regularly now.
No one cares.
P-Jay said:
I'm not surprised really. The local wrong 'uns just walk into ours, pick up what they want and walk out, they don't even try to hide it.
This. The co-op a couple of doors down from us is constantly under attack. I’ve witnessed a chap walk in, grab 2 x 4packs of lager and just walk out. He didn’t even try to run.
A member of staff followed him out of the door, at which point the scrote offered one of the 4 packs back to the staff member.
Turns out that was a deal. The thief gets to keep half and the shop recovered half.
It happens all the time. I regularly return baskets to them that have been dumped round the corner.
Skeptisk said:
Friend said he was in California recently and there the cops have said that unless over $500 they won’t attend or arrest anyone. Basically all stores have to have private security and he said you often have to queue to get in.
I believe in California they don't prosecute any crimes if the value is under $1,000?Bigends said:
As a volume crime in the days of Police crime reduction/detection targets, shopliftings were attended and dealt with by arrest or in many case a fixed penalty ticket - keeping the detection rates up.
No targets to reach now, there's no will/incentive/resources to deal with them any more.
i think it’s more than that No targets to reach now, there's no will/incentive/resources to deal with them any more.
the political direction from the HO and then senior command and the movement towards the threat/harm/risk view of crimes definitely saw retail crime as a very low priority and a “victimless” crime and therefore not worthy of police action
it was/is considered something that is preventable and businesses should be doing more to stop thefts
the emphasis was clearly placed on harm .. and if someone was upset by hurty words on facebook then they had suffered more harm than a shopkeeper who lost some stock .. so that is where the resources go
personally i think it is wrong and over simplistic, but hey me thinking they’ve lost the plot changes nothing unfortunately
It's organised, they know the police won't deal with anything below £200 so you have teams just going in, shoving stuff in those foil bags and walking out. There's a guy near me fencing this stuff, it's like Crackhead Costco. Baby formula half price? Cheap washing powder? Toiletries? Steaks? He has the lot.
Oliver Hardy said:
Skeptisk said:
Friend said he was in California recently and there the cops have said that unless over $500 they won’t attend or arrest anyone. Basically all stores have to have private security and he said you often have to queue to get in.
I believe in California they don't prosecute any crimes if the value is under $1,000?No police. Just fill in the crime report online and someone looks at it, gives you a phone call and then you have a sheet of paper you can show the insurance company. That was it. Apparently scrotes come from Oakland and just target stuff with out of state plates. Smash and grabs in broad daylight in front of all and sundry. Its that brazen.
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