Electric Rail Locos Grounded

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142 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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Seems the running costs are just too high compared to diesel.

https://www.railtech.com/all/2023/07/25/db-cargo-u...

I presume diesel for rail use doesn't face the punitive taxes road users pay and gas to compete on merit and cost?


Earthdweller

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132 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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reading that link i’m confused

it mentions the cost of electricity, but then doesnt expand or explain, but surely that is provided in the overhead lines by Network rail and a fixed cost

it then goes on to state that the withdrawn class 90 electric loco’s date from the 1980’s and the costs of maintaining and running them is much higher than using the class 66 locos which run on biofuels and date from 2015

it reads to me that modern efficient loco’s are much cheaper to run and maintain than 40 year old ones ?

Edited by Earthdweller on Thursday 27th July 10:36

Collectingbrass

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201 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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Earthdweller said:
reading that link i’m confused

it mentions the cost of electricity, but then doesnt expand or explain, but surely that is provided in the overhead lines by Network rail and a fixed cost

it then goes on to state that the withdrawn class 90 electric loco’s date from the 1980’s and the costs of maintaining and running them is much higher than using the class 66 locos which run on biofuels and date from 2015

it reads to me that modern efficient loco’s are much cheaper to run and maintain than 40 year old ones ?

Edited by Earthdweller on Thursday 27th July 10:36
They said it was costing them £1200 per trip more for electricity than bio diesel, and the article mentioned that Freightliner have also laid up a number of electrical locos for similar reasons.

Call me cynical but this will probably have as much to do with reducing their fleet, training costs and driver numbers as it is pressuring NR & the Government to subsidise the cost of electricity.

W124Bob

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181 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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Worth remembering the class 66 has been around since 1998 and the prime mover in the loco was already established on the US loco market.

Condi

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177 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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Seems very knee jerk with power prices considerably lower than last year, and the government committed to having a long term plan to reduce them further with wind and nuclear.

irc

Original Poster:

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Thursday 27th July 2023
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Condi said:
Seems very knee jerk with power prices considerably lower than last year, and the government committed to having a long term plan to reduce them further with wind and nuclear.
I haven't noticed my bills going any lower with windpower and new nukes are years away.

Condi

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177 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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irc said:
I haven't noticed my bills going any lower with windpower and new nukes are years away.
You've had artificially cheap prices for the last 12m due to the government price cap and £60/m subsidy.

Even the ofgem price cap is lower now than it was 6m ago.

poo at Paul's

14,314 posts

181 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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HS2 will be running single car DMUs at this rate!

XCP

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234 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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Good. I wouldn't want them flying.

gareth_r

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243 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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irc said:
Electric Rail Locos Grounded
I see what y'all did there.

mac96

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149 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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Although 'diesel better than electric' makes a good headline, I wonder how much of this is about the maintenance bit rather than fuels costs. One of the strengths of Class 66s from the outset was their high levels of availability by comparison with most of their UK predecessors- less downtime means you not only spend less on maintenance/repair but need fewer locos to do the job.

I haven't been able to find any specific availability data for the Class 90 so I may be barking up entirely the wrong tree...!

Tlandcruiser

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204 months

Thursday 27th July 2023
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DB were not the only operator to replace electric hauled loco services with diesel due to the cheaper costs of running a diesel locomotive.