north sea car transporter on fire/sinking 1 dead

[Earthdweller]

a car transporter the MV Fremantle Highway en route from Bremerhaven to Port Said is currently on fire and abandoned off the coast of Holland

one crew member is reportedly dead and others of the 23 strong crew jumped off the ship into the sea to escape the fire

the ship reportedly carrying 2857 cars 25 of which are EV’s

the fire appears to have started in one of the EV’s and could not be fought with water according to the dutch coast guard

the abandoned ship is still on fire and in danger of sinking

https://twitter.com/michael45231497/status/1684109...

https://twitter.com/nedlifenews/status/16841036695...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12338705/...

Edited by Earthdweller on Wednesday 26th July 10:04

[Leptons]

If it’s true about the EV I can see this having massive repercussions on the delivery times on any further EV’s until safer practices are implemented. Perhaps they could have a special area where they push them overboard if one catches fire

RIP to the crew member.

[V8covin]

Leptons said:

If it’s true about the EV I can see this having massive repercussions on the delivery times on any further EV’s until safer practices are implemented. Perhaps they could have a special area where they push them overboard if one catches fire

RIP to the crew member.

They'll still burn though,even in the sea.
Maybe they should all have a built in fire extinguisher system ?

[Flooble]

V8covin said:

Leptons said:

If it’s true about the EV I can see this having massive repercussions on the delivery times on any further EV’s until safer practices are implemented. Perhaps they could have a special area where they push them overboard if one catches fire

RIP to the crew member.

They'll still burn though,even in the sea.
Maybe they should all have a built in fire extinguisher system ?

Erm, if it's in the sea, it is no longer a problem for the ship? The local whales might be a bit annoyed but the ship would be safe.

[gruffalo]

V8covin said:

Leptons said:

If it’s true about the EV I can see this having massive repercussions on the delivery times on any further EV’s until safer practices are implemented. Perhaps they could have a special area where they push them overboard if one catches fire

RIP to the crew member.

They'll still burn though,even in the sea.
Maybe they should all have a built in fire extinguisher system ?

What would actually put the fire out though as the battery has all the needs of a fire built in?

[TheRainMaker]

gruffalo said:

V8covin said:

Leptons said:

If it’s true about the EV I can see this having massive repercussions on the delivery times on any further EV’s until safer practices are implemented. Perhaps they could have a special area where they push them overboard if one catches fire

RIP to the crew member.

They'll still burn though,even in the sea.
Maybe they should all have a built in fire extinguisher system ?

What would actually put the fire out though as the battery has all the needs of a fire built in?

Time, being able to push them out is probably the best solution.

[normalbloke]

Don’t worry, this has already been dismissed as a non event in the EV section. Nothing to see here.

[Earthdweller]

i’m a regular ferry user and noticed last time i was on one that the operator had stuck big yellow “”EV” stickers on the windscreens of all the hybrid/BEV vehicles prior to getting onto the ferry

i couldn’t say whether they were parked in a particular area on the vehicle decks though

clearly it was a risk identifier for the ferry operator mind

[Fundoreen]

Ebikes not allowed on TFL trains in london but you still see them on the platform. I can only assume some TFL staff are pretty ignorant.
Less places to escape to on a train in a tunnel than on a honking great ship.

[V8covin]

TheRainMaker said:

Time, being able to push them out is probably the best solution.

How do you push them if they're in park / handbrake on and ablaze ?

[heisthegaffer]

I can see the whole lot going up like that car park in Liverpool a few years back. What a nightmare.

[valiant]

Fundoreen said:

Ebikes not allowed on TFL trains in london but you still see them on the platform. I can only assume some TFL staff are pretty ignorant.
Less places to escape to on a train in a tunnel than on a honking great ship.

Ebikes are not banned (yet). E scooters and unicycles are though.

[Flooble]

V8covin said:

TheRainMaker said:

Time, being able to push them out is probably the best solution.

How do you push them if they're in park / handbrake on and ablaze ?

There are other cars there - if its a choice between denting a bumper and sinking, I would be getting in the other cars and ramming the burning wreck off the deck.

[Hereward]

Are EV's allowed on the Channel Tunnel trains? LPG conversions are not.

[Hill92]

Flooble said:

V8covin said:

TheRainMaker said:

Time, being able to push them out is probably the best solution.

How do you push them if they're in park / handbrake on and ablaze ?

There are other cars there - if its a choice between denting a bumper and sinking, I would be getting in the other cars and ramming the burning wreck off the deck.

It's not like a parking garage. Vehicles on car carriers are loaded nose to tail, mirror to mirror and usually chained to the deck at each corner. You're only moving a car once every other car in front of it is unloaded.

[Flooble]

Hill92 said:

Flooble said:

V8covin said:

TheRainMaker said:

Time, being able to push them out is probably the best solution.

How do you push them if they're in park / handbrake on and ablaze ?

There are other cars there - if its a choice between denting a bumper and sinking, I would be getting in the other cars and ramming the burning wreck off the deck.

It's not like a parking garage. Vehicles on car carriers are loaded nose to tail, mirror to mirror and usually chained to the deck at each corner. You're only moving a car once every other car in front of it is unloaded.

in an emergency I think I'd still happily bin however many cars were in front of the burning one, if it saved the ship.
The suggestion was to have EVs in their own section, with the sea easily accessible. With 25 cars out of 2500 being EVs, you can pretty easily have the front nearest the sea reserved for them. So you only need to get one normal car going to be able to ram the EV off the deck.

Now, granted, being able to get it off the deck itself is more of an issue - not sure how easily accessible the outside world is on these ships.

[Earthdweller]

Flooble said:

in an emergency I think I'd still happily bin however many cars were in front of the burning one, if it saved the ship.
The suggestion was to have EVs in their own section, with the sea easily accessible. With 25 cars out of 2500 being EVs, you can pretty easily have the front nearest the sea reserved for them. So you only need to get one normal car going to be able to ram the EV off the deck.

Now, granted, being able to get it off the deck itself is more of an issue - not sure how easily accessible the outside world is on these ships.

this gives an idea of what these things are like inside, good luck to anyone trying to extricate and isolate a burning car

[V8covin]

So in essence there's nothing anyone can do if an EV catches fire on a transporter other than to evacuate and save yourself

[DaveTheRave87]

Do we know if the fire started in an EV, or if the fire started in something else and became a major issue once it reached an EV?

[Earthdweller]

DaveTheRave87 said:

Do we know if the fire started in an EV, or if the fire started in something else and became a major issue once it reached an EV?

the dutch authorities have stated the fire started in one of the 25 EV’s aboard