Firefighting plane crashes on Greek Island of Evia

Firefighting plane crashes on Greek Island of Evia

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rjfp1962

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8,259 posts

79 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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Greece's defence ministry has confirmed two Greek air force pilots died when their Canadair plane crashed while fighting fires on the island of Evia.
The pilots were identified as a 34-year-old commander and his 27-year-old co-pilot. (BBC News)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F39EgDtQR1c (Euronews Video) Shows moment of the crash.


Eric Mc

122,699 posts

271 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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I was waiting for something like this to happen. It’s such a dangerous form of flying.

rjfp1962

Original Poster:

8,259 posts

79 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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The Greek defence ministry has declared a three-day period of mourning in the armed forces for the pilots who lost their lives fighting fires over Evia.
They have been named as 34-year-old Commander Christos Moulas and his co-pilot, 27-year-old Pericles Stefanidis. (BBC News)

Even sadder when those lost pilots are so young...! R.I.P.

glazbagun

14,430 posts

203 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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Eric Mc said:
I was waiting for something like this to happen. It’s such a dangerous form of flying.
I remember it happening in Canada a few years back. Is it due to the divebombing and changing mass of the plane or is it the smoke which makes it so dangerous for aircraft?

coanda

2,649 posts

196 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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In this instance the aircraft hit a tree with its right wing and did not have room to recover or had lost adequate control to recover - to be determined.

mr pg

1,981 posts

211 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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Looks like the RH float was knocked of the wingtip, plus possible flight control surface damage.

eliot

11,701 posts

260 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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youtuber/aviator blancolirio will no doubt have a video up on it shortly - he’s covered a few firefighting plane crashes unfortunately.

GliderRider

2,484 posts

87 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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mr pg said:
Looks like the RH float was knocked of the wingtip, plus possible flight control surface damage.
My thoughts exactly. Maybe it jammed the aileron linkage, as there appears to be no (successful) attempt to roll to the left back to level flight.

gotoPzero

18,037 posts

195 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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The Italian Air Force had a very similar incident in the same type about this time last year.


craig1912

3,620 posts

118 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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eliot said:
youtuber/aviator blancolirio will no doubt have a video up on it shortly - he’s covered a few firefighting plane crashes unfortunately.
It’s been available for last few hours

Eric Mc

122,699 posts

271 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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Definitely clipped a tree although I think the tight turn to the right at that low speed might have caused the right wing to stall.

gotoPzero

18,037 posts

195 months

Tuesday 25th July 2023
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I doubt the roll to the right was intentional.

Eric Mc

122,699 posts

271 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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The initial bank to the right would have been intentional but a combination of clipping the tree and an induced stall on the inside (right) wing is what would have brought them down. Once the right wing stalled, there was nothing they could do at that low height.

Pan Pan Pan

10,302 posts

117 months

Wednesday 26th July 2023
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coanda said:
In this instance the aircraft hit a tree with its right wing and did not have room to recover or had lost adequate control to recover - to be determined.
It was not the wing, it was the starboard float which impacted the tree and was ripped off.
Given that the wing tip structure had to be strong enough to withstand the forces placed on it during a water landing, the more likely cause was damage to the starboard aileron caused by the detached float striking it on its way off the aircraft.