28,000 people convicted of breaches of Covid-19 regulations
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I honestly thought they'd dropped all of these!
The average fine issued in magistrates courts last year was £6,000, although some people have been fined as much as £10,000. There were nearly 125,000 fixed-penalty notices issued in England and Wales during the pandemic.
This despite the government’s insistence that it never intended to criminalise people for minor infractions during the pandemic.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/18/more...
The average fine issued in magistrates courts last year was £6,000, although some people have been fined as much as £10,000. There were nearly 125,000 fixed-penalty notices issued in England and Wales during the pandemic.
This despite the government’s insistence that it never intended to criminalise people for minor infractions during the pandemic.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/18/more...
Newc said:
What an absolute disgrace.
And they call themselves a conservative administration, supposed supporters of a small state, low intervention, individual freedom philosophy.
The problem is the general public proved that they're not capable of thinking for themselves during the pandemic, making rules and fines necessary. And they call themselves a conservative administration, supposed supporters of a small state, low intervention, individual freedom philosophy.
You'd have to be properly taking the piss to be prosecuted I imagine.
28000, out of 67 million, after what was often quite immediate implementation of what some thought were quite draconian rules, doesn't sound too bad to me! What is is, 0.04% of population over what, an 18 month period?
Suggests people were more compliant than many made out, and also suggests that the fines were only implemented for proper piss-taking.
Suggests people were more compliant than many made out, and also suggests that the fines were only implemented for proper piss-taking.
mattyprice4004 said:
Newc said:
What an absolute disgrace.
And they call themselves a conservative administration, supposed supporters of a small state, low intervention, individual freedom philosophy.
The problem is the general public proved that they're not capable of thinking for themselves during the pandemic, making rules and fines necessary. And they call themselves a conservative administration, supposed supporters of a small state, low intervention, individual freedom philosophy.
You'd have to be properly taking the piss to be prosecuted I imagine.
poo at Paul's said:
28000, out of 67 million, after what was often quite immediate implementation of what some thought were quite draconian rules, doesn't sound too bad to me! What is is, 0.04% of population over what, an 18 month period?
Suggests people were more compliant than many made out, and also suggests that the fines were only implemented for proper piss-taking.
It's not though is it. Our baby is one of those 67m and so was my 95yo nan. You can remove a bunch of exemptions too.Suggests people were more compliant than many made out, and also suggests that the fines were only implemented for proper piss-taking.
mattyprice4004 said:
The problem is the general public proved that they're not capable of thinking for themselves during the pandemic, making rules and fines necessary.
You'd have to be properly taking the piss to be prosecuted I imagine.
The ones fined were obviously thinking for themselves rather than following the narrative and laws.You'd have to be properly taking the piss to be prosecuted I imagine.
Weren't two women prosecuted for walking outside 6 feet apart. The police prosecuted because they had coffee and that in the police's eyes made it a picnic
mattyprice4004 said:
Newc said:
What an absolute disgrace.
And they call themselves a conservative administration, supposed supporters of a small state, low intervention, individual freedom philosophy.
The problem is the general public proved that they're not capable of thinking for themselves during the pandemic, making rules and fines necessary. And they call themselves a conservative administration, supposed supporters of a small state, low intervention, individual freedom philosophy.
You'd have to be properly taking the piss to be prosecuted I imagine.
The virus was considered so dangerous by the politicians that made the rules that they didn’t bother to follow any of the rules themselves. It was a huge con and a load of b
ks. Some people are mega rich now though so it worked out well from that perspective. ZedLeg said:
mattyprice4004 said:
Newc said:
What an absolute disgrace.
And they call themselves a conservative administration, supposed supporters of a small state, low intervention, individual freedom philosophy.
The problem is the general public proved that they're not capable of thinking for themselves during the pandemic, making rules and fines necessary. And they call themselves a conservative administration, supposed supporters of a small state, low intervention, individual freedom philosophy.
You'd have to be properly taking the piss to be prosecuted I imagine.
I'd bet that 99% of the cases were due to the person giving the copper a bit of lip instead of just moving on... Hence the sob stories like "I was just eating a burger at a local beauty spot"....sure you were luv.
I was stopped whilst out during Dec 2020. The copper asked where I was going, i patted the bag on my passenger seat and said "Heathrow". I got a bit of a tongue lashing about driving too fast and let go. Now I don't know if I was exceeding the speed limit (with me I wouldn't take bets) but I know not to be an argumentative arse to a copper on the roadside.
Also that was the first of 3 international holidays I took during the Pandemic. Technically it was 4 but by May 2022 it was for all intents and purposes over.
Douglas Quaid said:
There was no need for any rules or fines. The lockdown was pointless. It just cost people’s livelihoods, killed people who couldn’t get medical treatment and made some people very very rich instead of saving any lives. The majority of us are now suffering through huge inflation and all of the cost of living stuff which is a direct result of worldwide lockdowns.
The virus was considered so dangerous by the politicians that made the rules that they didn’t bother to follow any of the rules themselves. It was a huge con and a load of bks. Some people are mega rich now though so it worked out well from that perspective.
It's a bit of a stretch to say it was pointless and I'm pretty certain that more lives were saved than were lost because of it.The virus was considered so dangerous by the politicians that made the rules that they didn’t bother to follow any of the rules themselves. It was a huge con and a load of b
ks. Some people are mega rich now though so it worked out well from that perspective. Through the lens of today and the benefit of experience, we can say that it was perhaps poorly executed, too extreme and possibly too long. I'm in no way being an apologist for the government but so much was unknown I think errors in how to deal with it were always going to be inevitable.
Regardless of any of that, the restrictions were put in place with the good intention of protecting us. If people chose to ignore those restrictions then penalties have to apply because if something does happen again that does require similar restrictions, the failure to enforce negates the restrictions in the first place. You can't impose rules if you're not going to enforce them.
StevieBee said:
Regardless of any of that, the restrictions were put in place with the good intention of protecting us. If people chose to ignore those restrictions then penalties have to apply because if something does happen again that does require similar restrictions, the failure to enforce negates the restrictions in the first place. You can't impose rules if you're not going to enforce them.
Quite. People should be punished for not obeying 'the rules'. Nevermind that the politicians who did make said rules were rather more laissez faire in actually obeying them themselves or that the rules might have been pointless/petty/downright weird (scotch eggs anyone?). It was done with the best intentions so all the granny killers who didn't stick to them deserve what they get.
isaldiri said:
StevieBee said:
Regardless of any of that, the restrictions were put in place with the good intention of protecting us. If people chose to ignore those restrictions then penalties have to apply because if something does happen again that does require similar restrictions, the failure to enforce negates the restrictions in the first place. You can't impose rules if you're not going to enforce them.
Quite. People should be punished for not obeying 'the rules'. Nevermind that the politicians who did make said rules were rather more laissez faire in actually obeying them themselves or that the rules might have been pointless/petty/downright weird (scotch eggs anyone?). It was done with the best intentions so all the granny killers who didn't stick to them deserve what they get.
In the first two months of lockdown Pembrokeshire handed out over 1500 fines alone, many started at around £880 and we know that continued, nice little earner...
All across Wales as well
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54903578
We had people coming on holidays they'd booked, being turned around and caught again on back roads...
All across Wales as well
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54903578
We had people coming on holidays they'd booked, being turned around and caught again on back roads...
Niponeoff said:
It's not though is it. Our baby is one of those 67m and so was my 95yo nan. You can remove a bunch of exemptions too.
But your baby and your nan were subject to the restrictions, not all agreed for things like mask wearing, but the majrity of the movement ones. So it is a very small percentage of the 67 million in the UK.
If your point is that is was a larger percentage of a certain demographic, age, location, employment status, ethnic background etc, you may be correct, but where's the stats for that. And of course, that could well just mean that that demographic thought they knew best, and "found out" .
I dont think 28k is that bad, over such a long period and with what could be quite tricky to follow rules, eg different "tiers" and different rules depending on where you were.
I reckon it was a pretty good job by the UK public, tbh.
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