Home Schooling under threat?
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I understand the reason behind it, lots of pressure on the government to do something on people who are increasingly choosing to home school their children, I have a couple of cousins who are home schooled as the family travel a lot
Consultation closes 20 July
I understand the reason behind it, lots of pressure on the government to do something on people who are increasingly choosing to home school their children, I have a couple of cousins who are home schooled as the family travel a lot
vaud said:
I can't speak from my experience, but the two people I know that were home schooled were academically good but socially lost and incapable of peer interaction.
I have had experience as home schooling is sadly a little bit more common in Australia (fortunately still limited to a small number of fringe lunatics). They are in no way academically good. For the most part, consistently fail tertiary entrance exams (if you didn't go to school in a recognised county, you can take these exams to demonstrate your competence) and would I suspect, failnthe English Language competency exam as well. As a result tend to be unable to get most jobs.
Employment wise, they're up there with special needs cases but considerably less desirable to employers due to their attitude, even when recognised as a special needs case (yep, a bad education is case for going on disability benefits) and can get government funding so even those who employ the differently abled will avoid the home schooled.
As for soxloal skills, the ones I've met in person have been borderlining on an antisocial personality disorder.
OTOH, those who I've met who have done a Steiner or Montessori education tend to be better all round. Although I disagree with the technophobic aspects (of Montessori in particular) I think there is a lot of wisdom in encouraging creativity and anjoyment in the learning process.
Let's be honest here, those who choose to home school are mainly (overwhelmingly) doing it because they don't want their child learning that something they hate is normal and accepted in society. This thinking produces people who are very much unable to live in society or often even on their own.
stuckmojo said:
When schools curricula become catalysed with political and social messages which are against the parents' values, people become wary and make choices.
Not at all a surprise.
What like the 1970's when we were forced to sing and pray to mythical entities every day alongside the enforcement of petty rules with a little bit of light sadism by middle aged sexually frustrated head teachers? Not at all a surprise.
It's sad that Dunning-Kruger afflicted parents can give their children such a poor start in life - of course there should be basic mechanisms in place to protect children from their own parents stupidity.
It depends on which sky fairie one believes in or not. Including that all institutional teaching is sound and gives a good grounding for adulthood.
I don't disagree that most homeschooling is borne of bigotry.
Imagine which bit of society is en masse against accepted views and norms and wants to live in a 15th century culture?
Hint, it's not the white van man family
I don't disagree that most homeschooling is borne of bigotry.
Imagine which bit of society is en masse against accepted views and norms and wants to live in a 15th century culture?
Hint, it's not the white van man family
stuckmojo said:
It depends on which sky fairie one believes in or not. Including that all institutional teaching is sound and gives a good grounding for adulthood.
I don't disagree that most homeschooling is borne of bigotry.
Imagine which bit of society is en masse against accepted views and norms and wants to live in a 15th century culture?
Hint, it's not the white van man family
With critical thinking abilities like that I'm guessing that you yourself are a product of "home schoolin' "I don't disagree that most homeschooling is borne of bigotry.
Imagine which bit of society is en masse against accepted views and norms and wants to live in a 15th century culture?
Hint, it's not the white van man family
I know of a few kiddies who are home schooled.
Most are the children of crusties or the mentally ill. Some of them sit at home all day while their mother drools and smokes. Some have some effort put in.
One leads a life of incredible adventure and endless socialisation, but still can't read at the age of 11.
The older I get the more bizarre education seems in retrospect and I can easily see why some regard conventional schooling as little more than trying to turn you into a government robot, but opting out should not leave a child at the total whim of a parent.
But I dunno how you square that with a mindless government butting in.
Most are the children of crusties or the mentally ill. Some of them sit at home all day while their mother drools and smokes. Some have some effort put in.
One leads a life of incredible adventure and endless socialisation, but still can't read at the age of 11.
The older I get the more bizarre education seems in retrospect and I can easily see why some regard conventional schooling as little more than trying to turn you into a government robot, but opting out should not leave a child at the total whim of a parent.
But I dunno how you square that with a mindless government butting in.
It echoes what I experience too. I have an autistic 3 year old who will be in school next year, so I am extremely sensitive about how/what he's taught. Parents are the key figures and should have the ultimate supervision on their children upbringing, including the ability to see what is taught in the schools where their children go to learn.
The main thing about schooling is socialising with people of different backgrounds and learn how to interact in an organised group as a proxy for society. Hard to do at home, and some parents are illiterate imbeciles or bigots, who will raise more of the same.
Back to my original point, I understand why some people homeschool. Not that I necessarily agree or support, given the outcomes.
Sadly some people with IQ lower than room temperature misinterpreted this as an out and out rejection of institutional learning. Their problem, not mine.
The main thing about schooling is socialising with people of different backgrounds and learn how to interact in an organised group as a proxy for society. Hard to do at home, and some parents are illiterate imbeciles or bigots, who will raise more of the same.
Back to my original point, I understand why some people homeschool. Not that I necessarily agree or support, given the outcomes.
Sadly some people with IQ lower than room temperature misinterpreted this as an out and out rejection of institutional learning. Their problem, not mine.
stuckmojo said:
It depends on which sky fairie one believes in or not. Including that all institutional teaching is sound and gives a good grounding for adulthood.
I don't disagree that most homeschooling is borne of bigotry.
Imagine which bit of society is en masse against accepted views and norms and wants to live in a 15th century culture?
Hint, it's not the white van man family
I could not quite work out from your post if you were suggesting people home schooled to avoid the 15th century culture or if those with a 15th century culture were more likely to homeschool.I don't disagree that most homeschooling is borne of bigotry.
Imagine which bit of society is en masse against accepted views and norms and wants to live in a 15th century culture?
Hint, it's not the white van man family
Here are the areas with largest % of home schooling, you will note Golders Green, Luton, Bradford and Barnet don’t list very highly.
Perhaps because these ‘communities’ have access to faith schools.
bloomen said:
The older I get the more bizarre education seems in retrospect and I can easily see why some regard conventional schooling as little more than trying to turn you into a government robot, but opting out should not leave a child at the total whim of a parent.
It's tinfoil-hattery.It doesn't make sense ay any level. Firstly teachers aren't some kind of programmed drones all churning out the same message. And given that Governments change on a regular basis does the teaching change at the same time? It's just bonkers.
Most of us went through the same education process and yet we all have slightly (or extremely) different opinions and viewpoints which suggests that "WE" didnt turn into Government robots. If we were able to survive the "programming" I'm sure our kids will as well.
stuckmojo said:
The main thing about schooling is socialising with people of different backgrounds and learn how to interact in an organised group as a proxy for society. Hard to do at home, and some parents are illiterate imbeciles or bigots, who will raise more of the same.
Back to my original point, I understand why some people homeschool. Not that I necessarily agree or support, given the outcomes.
Sadly some people with IQ lower than room temperature misinterpreted this as an out and out rejection of institutional learning. Their problem, not mine.
The thing is though that I found that is was only from A levels onwards that I had much interaction with the sorts of people that I would interact with in my professional career. Back to my original point, I understand why some people homeschool. Not that I necessarily agree or support, given the outcomes.
Sadly some people with IQ lower than room temperature misinterpreted this as an out and out rejection of institutional learning. Their problem, not mine.
I think it is highly likely that parents of a bright child might be able to arrange themselves social interaction that was a better preparation for adult life, particularly in the rougher areas.
I think really there isn't a blanket rule one way or the other. Some home schoolers may be able to have a proper educational experience and/or socialization while others dont
I read for example that some home schooling parents link up together to provide social aspects.
Wilmslowboy said:
I could not quite work out from your post if you were suggesting people home schooled to avoid the 15th century culture or if those with a 15th century culture were more likely to homeschool.
Here are the areas with largest % of home schooling, you will note Golders Green, Luton, Bradford and Barnet don’t list very highly.
Perhaps because these ‘communities’ have access to faith schools.
Thinking about it, it's probably both, and potentially with less than ideal outcome for the kids. Here are the areas with largest % of home schooling, you will note Golders Green, Luton, Bradford and Barnet don’t list very highly.
Perhaps because these ‘communities’ have access to faith schools.
Same with anything. It's a grey area.
There are good reasons and bad reasons to homeschool, and there is effective homeschooling and not effective homeschooling.
Teachers are professionals and the task of teaching is not as easy at it seems at first glance. Like anything, you can do it yourself, but can you do it better than a professional?
Measurement of outcome of schooling is often focused on academic achievement, but there is a lot of value and skills to be learned that are not academic and schools are often not great this. There are talents that could be trained to the highest level with indvidualised learning.
The problem with home schooling is that often the parents will do it themselves, and they just don't have the training or skills to do it properly.
There are good reasons and bad reasons to homeschool, and there is effective homeschooling and not effective homeschooling.
Teachers are professionals and the task of teaching is not as easy at it seems at first glance. Like anything, you can do it yourself, but can you do it better than a professional?
Measurement of outcome of schooling is often focused on academic achievement, but there is a lot of value and skills to be learned that are not academic and schools are often not great this. There are talents that could be trained to the highest level with indvidualised learning.
The problem with home schooling is that often the parents will do it themselves, and they just don't have the training or skills to do it properly.
Good that it’s under threat. I only know if one parent who homeschools because she called the head a @@@@ and took her child out. This parent doesn’t have many GCSE’s has spent a life on benefits so how can she now teach her daughter 10 different GCSE subjects without any support? I’m guessing these parents don’t get any support? They certainly don’t have the professional development and 5 inset days a year teachers get.
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